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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2017, 22:15:51 »
I'm sure you can use some of those qualities in the Militay, but I hope you aren't expecting to be placed quickly into a leadership role in the Military if you join as a NCM.

Before you can go on leave, you will submit a leave pass that has to be approved, on the leave pass you say where you will be during that period.  As well, there is a phone number you are supposed to call when you plan on travelling abroad, as well they will give you information relevant to the countries you wish to visit, etc.  Also, a leave pass will be required anytime you will be leaving the geographical area for weekend travel.

Also, if the Canadians government travel website says travel to a certain country should be avoided, chances are you won't be authorized to go there.
https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/advisories

You can take civilian courses on your off time, provided they won't interfere with work. Keep in mind if you get injured doing flying suit or BASE jumping over the weekend, they may not be thrilled especially if the injury prevents you from going on course or exercise. The base may have clubs you can join that offer certain activities. You can join clubs off base, as well as do schooling online, etc.

In the Infantry your leadership may run low level training for the platoon when nothing is going on during the day(working hours).

Thanks for more clarification, also I do understand what you mean about injuries, you do never know what could happen, but training to prepare for anything is one of the reasons why I am looking at joining the CF. Working out, increasing cardio, endurance, etc. will also be a huge facet of going through the different training programs.

Also no, I do not expect to just jump in and magically become an officer, commander or even a leader instantly. I like to prove my worth and earn my respect, which is why I get placed into the positions mentioned.

I just have to say, with your self described levels of awesome in all facets of human existence, I would recommend direct entry as a Top Gun SERE instructor.

I'm sorry but I didn't intend on describing myself as being "awesome in all facets of human existence", I simply described myself as I am, I'm honest, sometimes overly honest.

I did mention that I'm not the best at cardio, but could lightly jog 2.4 kms in 12 minutes, I walk 1.5-2 kms in 15-20 minutes (used to walk daily to work).

Simply put, I am above average in most regards, because I try, I push myself, I have the willpower and drive to accomplish my goals... Why else would I choose a life-style of hardship. Why else would I sell everything I own, my big screen TV, gaming computer, Xbone, all of that crap to push for a life-long journey. To experience life and what it has to offer, to meet new people, see nature and test my own capabilities...

Who knows, I might die while attempting to survive through the winter in the BC mountains before I ever join the military, if that's the case, that is my prerogative.

Otherwise, if you think that what I simply posted so people can help me accurately decide where to focus my efforts in joining the CF, then thank you very much.

You too are awesome, just focus on your goals and life aspirations, don't let anyone deny you what is necessary for you to have a complete life.
I've never owned any fire-arms and have only shot a basic .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun.

Based on my research, when I purchase any fire-arms, they would be:

My dream rifle: IWI - Tavor or X-95 (have to use myself)
My dream pistol: Sig Sauer - P226 MK25
My dream shotgun: Kel-Tek - KSG

I like my bull-pups. Can't wait to see each in action.

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2017, 22:22:57 »
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Who knows, I might die while attempting to survive through the winter in the BC mountains


Like the agent in one of the Borne movies  that goes free diving in the Alaskan wilderness for training then crosses over top the mountain instead of going around it. That's cool.
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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2017, 22:29:23 »
Like the agent in one of the Borne movies  that goes free diving in the Alaskan wilderness for training then crosses over top the mountain instead of going around it. That's cool.

Oh I'm staying away from the higher altitudes, I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid. Staying in the woodlands, my biggest worries will be grizzlies, mountain lions and fighting the cold... Though with my gear I think I should be fine against the cold... Not having any fire-arms will be scary going up against the critters of the forest mountains.

I'm also doing YouTube along the way and will be recording everything I can once I get to the mountains.
I've never owned any fire-arms and have only shot a basic .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun.

Based on my research, when I purchase any fire-arms, they would be:

My dream rifle: IWI - Tavor or X-95 (have to use myself)
My dream pistol: Sig Sauer - P226 MK25
My dream shotgun: Kel-Tek - KSG

I like my bull-pups. Can't wait to see each in action.

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2017, 23:36:34 »
You probably have little to no idea of what the CAF will give you for equipment let alone the policies on non issue items. Yet you are already planning on buying all kinds of gear? 

What gear and specialized equipment are you planning on getting?

Depending on your unit, you may not be allowed anything that wasn't issued. With the units that do allow non issue kit, there are still rules/limits to that. Get in, finish your training, once you get to a unit and some time in see what other people have an go from there.

Now that I've officially researched the threads given to me and re-researched my previous studies to verify what I understood from before.

You are absolutely right, I have no idea exactly what type of gear I would be receiving, never-mind mission specific or even platoon specific gear I would be receiving.

All I knew from before was that if you wanted to buy your own gear it had to be green (even if you're in a desert), such as non mission specific gear, ie. boots, gloves, goggles, hats, etc.

Also to specify, I wasn't planning on buying "all kinds of gear", just gear that I could keep for myself and also to update or customize my own mission-ready gear. I know that with a full mission-ready setup you are looking at carrying minimum of 150lbs of gear, I'm not sure if that includes water, ammunition, grenades, etc.

I'm not sure if your gear is your own when you receive it, or whether or not you could use it on your own excursions... For example, if I received a bivy, bag, sleeping solution, webbing, etc. could I trek through and camp on my own time with it? Or are you only allowed to use your gear while on-mission? I wasn't expecting to be able to honestly, which is why I was mentioning I would get my own gear.

On a note of purchasing and using your own fire-arms, I knew from years ago that asking the question, "Can I buy my own rifle to use on-mission." Was ridiculous and you were beaten with a stupid stick, at least that's what I witnessed after using the search feature years ago.

What I'm not sure about is why not? If you have a rifle that is compatible with military issued 5.56 NATO rounds, why can't you bring it? I'm sure the obvious answer is, if something breaks you won't have the replacement parts for it... At the same time, you don't carry an entire replacement rifle to replace whatever parts that may break anyways.

Also what about pistols? Are you only ever issued one pistol?

Personally I'm sure that the C7-C8 are great rifles, but why not be capable of purchasing your own weapon, with your own money to protect your own and your squads life(s)?

Also, back in the day when I searched about this last time, nearly 10 years ago, from what I remember only Riflemen or Weapons Specialists were the only ones allowed to bring their own weapons.

On a side note, I realize completely that a civy version of the rifle I would want to purchase is only semi-automatic, but I wouldn't want it for civilian life...

In all honesty, I can't say what I would want, not want or give any suggestions for... The only webbing I ever wore was "tactical" paintball gear, which fit great even though it was for a bigger guy. I haven't fired any full-auto rifles or any pistol of any kind, so I can't say what would be better, best or anything. I have no idea what kind of pouches, attachments or, well, anything about the gear you receive.

I'm also not trying to be some Rainbow Six, Counterstrike, COD whackjob who thinks they are going to go around throwing "Tactical Hatchets" at people like all these freaking nutjob YouTubers living in fantasy land. In all honesty, I freaking hate all of the crap I see on YouTube about the "Tactical" crap, tactical this, tactical that... next thing we'll be seeing is friggen tactical toilet paper and tactical tampons for frick sakes...

So yeah...

I'll continue reading all of the other threads mariomike posted for me to read... almost finished...
I've never owned any fire-arms and have only shot a basic .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun.

Based on my research, when I purchase any fire-arms, they would be:

My dream rifle: IWI - Tavor or X-95 (have to use myself)
My dream pistol: Sig Sauer - P226 MK25
My dream shotgun: Kel-Tek - KSG

I like my bull-pups. Can't wait to see each in action.

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2017, 23:50:05 »
Can't tell if this a serious post or if WFlett is trolling.
The military isn't really like a James Bond movie where you go for jet training in the morning and then underwater demolitions after lunch.

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2017, 23:58:02 »
Can't tell if this a serious post or if WFlett is trolling.

Serious about which post?

The thread is for real and every post is honest.

I fricken absolutely hate trolls, honestly... I can't even articulate how much I hate trolls... There is just making a joke, then there is trolling... I love jokes, I absolutely disdain trolls.

Please clarify what you think I am not being serious/honest about? Also criticism is completely welcome, no worries.

Thanks.
I've never owned any fire-arms and have only shot a basic .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun.

Based on my research, when I purchase any fire-arms, they would be:

My dream rifle: IWI - Tavor or X-95 (have to use myself)
My dream pistol: Sig Sauer - P226 MK25
My dream shotgun: Kel-Tek - KSG

I like my bull-pups. Can't wait to see each in action.

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2017, 09:23:07 »
I'm also not trying to be some Rainbow Six, Counterstrike, COD whackjob who thinks they are going to go around throwing "Tactical Hatchets" at people like all these freaking nutjob YouTubers living in fantasy land. In all honesty, I freaking hate all of the crap I see on YouTube about the "Tactical" crap, tactical this, tactical that... next thing we'll be seeing is friggen tactical toilet paper and tactical tampons for frick sakes...

You're coming off as that whack job though, wanting to buy your own weapons in case things fail and you can single handedly save everyone.

No, you can not use your own weapons in the military, issued CF weapons only. Pistols aren't given to everyone. 

The gear you are issues is yours while you are in, than it gets returned. You can use some of it like the sleeping bag on your own camping trips. However there are better and lighter gear out there to buy for your own use.

Buying your own gear for military use, again it will vary by unit what is allowed. Also, it isn't restricted to only being green. 

You've never served, never used our equipment or weapons. Might want to just drop the fantasy of whatever you have about modifying and buying all kinds of gear. If you get in, you will figure out what works or doesn't work for you. As well, you will find out what civilian gear or allowed for use.

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2017, 10:55:01 »
LightFighter

From what I have seen in this thread, WFlett has read and basically ignored every post relevant to his/her questions. 

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2017, 11:27:28 »
Sorry George the armored can't have this one, he's going infantry!

Base jumping with glider suits off a tank is lame sauce.
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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2017, 11:40:15 »
Sorry George the armored can't have this one, he's going infantry!

Base jumping with glider suits off a tank is lame sauce.

Well....If he gets said suit caught on the various hooks and dangles there in mid air while the Driver unknowingly takes off on a Cross Country maneuver, then he may get a little exited.
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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2017, 19:44:59 »
LightFighter

From what I have seen in this thread, WFlett has read and basically ignored every post relevant to his/her questions. 

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I guess that's quite accurate, what "you see" and what actually is, happens to be completely different... of course you are entitled to your own opinions, but the fact you haven't read or I guess even "seen" the original post... I would have to say, you, my friend, are "Special!".

Ignorant people like yourself is what's wrong with society, you create your own idea, your own reality, then automatically believe yourself instead of actually... READING!

If this doesn't bounce around between those ears before you reply back, or maybe bother to read THE FIRST POST! Maybe you should just keep your own opinions to yourself, unless you are going to offer something to the conversation other than stupid ramblings of an internet forum troll.

Learn to read... Simple...

I on the other hand, have asked, read and verified all of the information given to me, if you read my first post... You would know that... The fact I even have to specify this, speaks volumes to your intelligence.



As for everyone trying to "make fun of me", by talking crap, you shouldn't be in the military, or be receiving checks from the government, because obviously you've only joined the military to kill people or get free education and a cushy paycheck.

Mariomike and Lightfighter have both at least offered their opinions, expertise, suggestions and help to literally everything I've asked, I thank both of them for that.

Everyone else who has replied is just a troll, a no-life, internet forum troll... I feel sad for you people, you need some kind of recognition or feel that you are being funny, meanwhile you basically prove your level of intelligence by not adding to the conversation/questions/answers that has been asked.
I've never owned any fire-arms and have only shot a basic .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun.

Based on my research, when I purchase any fire-arms, they would be:

My dream rifle: IWI - Tavor or X-95 (have to use myself)
My dream pistol: Sig Sauer - P226 MK25
My dream shotgun: Kel-Tek - KSG

I like my bull-pups. Can't wait to see each in action.

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2017, 20:10:04 »
Mariomike and Lightfighter have both at least offered their opinions, expertise, suggestions and help to literally everything I've asked, I thank both of them for that.

You are welcome. good luck.  :)
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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2017, 20:10:45 »
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As for everyone trying to "make fun of me", by talking crap, you shouldn't be in the military, or be receiving checks from the government, because obviously you've only joined the military to kill people or get free education and a cushy paycheck.

lol Hey Epicbeardedman,  just like I called it  ;D

Usually people get bored pretty quick with mostly tame responses so need to escalate stuff to try and push reactions.
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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2017, 21:13:55 »
WFlett,

I have been watching this thread evolve over the past few days and, to be honest, the recurring thought that comes to mind is a line from the movie Battleship: “Who do I call to teach you humility.”

You started with a shopping list of desires that only served to illuminate how little time you had spent researching the CAF, on and off this forum, before posting. I can see you've been disabused of some of those, like the need to select either commissioned or non-commissioned service, that Chaplains do not carry weapons, and that personnel within each trade (or “classification” for officers) work and train within the limits of that trade.

You also have a very high opinion of yourself, your skills and your potential. That's good, there's nothing wrong with self-confidence. The flip side to that is that it needs to be balanced by a similarly high degree of self-discipline. You express a personal need for high energy, high stimulation, and a wide variety of experiences. Unfortunately, the CAF does not always offer that, and certainly doesn't line up experiences like that at the desire of the individual. Even the people who have had very varied careers in the service tend to leave out the number of months they spent back in the training system at every transition point. They also leave out the months or years as the developing individual in their new trade or skill area each time they transitioned.

If your eventual goal is to be a special operations assaulter, you best bet may be to join as an infantry soldier. That route will, however, include periods of low intensity activities which will not be stimulating or exciting. Someone has to clean the weapons, vehicles, and the vehicle hangar floor. Those jobs too, are infantry soldiers' work (as they are in many trades). Establishing with your chain of command that you desire more than that is good, but demonstrating that you can accept those mundane tasks time after time and do them well is what demonstrates that a soldier is dependable and ready for greater challenges. When limited opportunities for courses, like para, or recce, or patrol pathfinder come along, there will be proven and dependable soldiers ahead of you who have been waiting for those courses and who will get priority, regardless of whether you feel you are better than they are as individuals. Sucking that up is also part of the long slow years of “paying your dues.”

You may think your assessment of your leadership skills make you a good fit for an officer's commission. But you don't like paperwork. In the military, paperwork is a part of like, for officers from their early days in the military, and for non-commissioned members as soon as they have positions of responsibility (and earlier for some trades like Clerks). That paperwork is essential, and needs to be done right, whether it be planning future training, ordering beans, bullets, and shitters, or writing the justification why one of your soldiers should be considered for a compassionate posting for the benefit of a child's health. Most of that paperwork is also unseen and unrewarded. It's often done after hours when the soldiers have gone home or to bed during training. And it's just as important, and just as much part of being the leader, as saying “Follow me” at the start of an operational mission.

The CAF has lots of opportunities for exciting training, demanding courses, and challenging postings. But the reality is they don't line up for everyone. For every officer who goes to CSOR, a half-dozen go into instructional posting at schools, running training courses at all levels. Even more find themselves in headquarters across the country, manning a desk day after day for years at a time. It's good to have a dream, but it needs to be balanced with a solid understanding of the reality.

Before you start that online recruiting application, you need to ask yourself if you're ready to be sitting in a classroom again, for months at a time for regular force courses, learning basics one step at a time along with the wide range of recruits the CAF brings in. There's no accelerated class for you to ask for. There are no short cuts. And the sergeant who tells you he's going to inspect the training platoon at the end of the day on Friday won't care if you have a scheduled wing-suit lesson.

Are you ready to slow down, suck back, and take the CAF's training at the pace it is delivered. Are you ready to show dedication, perseverance, and commitment to duty for the years it may take before you have a chance to go on one of those high-speed low-drag courses, or to apply to join a special operations unit? Are you ready to head home with a stack of course training files to review and write course assessments on your students on your own time? Are you ready to sit at a headquarters desk processing other units' training requests?

All of those things are also work challenges that face CAF members every day. And each of them are jobs that need to be done well, each and every day, but they are without the excitement and energy you tell us you thrive on.

It great to want to a rock star and to seek that opportunity, but the road to that opportunity is long, slow, and fraught with the possibility of missed chances. Frankly, the day to day work, training, and operations of the CAF aren't dependent upon the rock stars. The real need is people who can fit in, maintain stability, and further the interests and goals of the institution one small step at a time. Sometimes, the real rock stars are those who quietly study and identify issues, and solve those problems (some of which may have existed for years before them) without it ever being public knowledge.

If you're looking to contribute to the CAF, we have a place for you. If you see the CAF as merely a life experience opportunity with lofty goals for the range of things you wish to do, I predict you will be sorely disappointed, and that it will start quickly after joining and build to intolerable levels if you don't control it.

Good luck with your decision, keep studying and analyzing your options, but also look between the high points and ask yourself how you're going to do when life gets slow in the military, and next week is going to look a lot like last week with no missions on the horizon. Operational missions get a lot of attention, the work done to hold the institution together and be prepared to develop the forces needed for the next mission seldom do.

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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2017, 21:52:04 »
lol Hey Epicbeardedman,  just like I called it  ;D



Yeah, no kidding...sheesh..
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Re: My personal skills; with various questions - Where to start?
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2017, 21:53:53 »
I'm locking this up. There's nothing further to gain by antagonizing the OP.

WFlett: Your posts come across as literally every military stereotype, that's why you're getting a hard time. Most of the questions you have are answered here already. You're also in no position to decide who should or shouldn't serve in the CAF until you've actually served yourself, despite all of your civilian qualifications.