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Based on what I've seen about the proposed ways forward, ACISS Core, formally known as operators, will be the "Face" of Sigs.

They will be the ones that deal with the clients and provide solutions. They would run the service desks and be the primary POC for anyone wanting sig support. At that point it might be seen to make sense to have basic rad op functions be left with the units as their focus will be on supporting those CPs, as well as all other Sig related products.

Personally I think that would be a big mistake. A skilled operator will out perform any other trade treating it as a secondary duty. As much as Arty and Armd like to think they are better at it than us because their VP is faster, what they deal with is only a tip of the iceberg that a skilled operator brings to the field.

Last time I was in the field, the Arty and Inf vehicles were fine on the nets. They got what they needed and were good at it. But it was me and my operators that established the RRB nets, moving the nodes dynamically to follow the flow of the exercise, mapping the shots across terrain and keeping the CP on the right frequency that made it seamless to them. Without us it would have been a crap show comms wise. You start adding tracking and other advanced features, data etc, your secondary duty signaller will be lost.

I can pull on a lanyard, load a shell and hitch a trailer. Doesn't make me a gunner.
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I heard that they were going to make a decision on the ACISS trade as to what structure it will be yesterday.  Has anyone got anything ?

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Hey Blokes,

I've read back through several pages of this thread and, though I understand very little of your jargon, I can see that the ACISS trade is experiencing a bit of turbulence in general as things are rapidly changing regarding the role of skilled ACISS operators. Though I have a very shallow understanding of what it is you guys really do (aside from the info on forces.ca) I just wanted to know what advice or thoughts you might have for someone currently applying to the Canadian Forces with ACISS as 1st pick for a trade.

I suppose I'd like a first-hand perspective on what it is I am getting myself into. Regardless, I am super excited to join the forces (hopefully!) and am still going to keep ACISS as my first choice because that's just how I roll!

Cheers!
Recruiting Centre: New Westminister, BC
Regular/ Reserve: Reg
Officer/NCM: NCM
Trade Choice 1: ACISS
Online Application: June 16th 2017
First Contact: June 22nd 2017
CFAT: July 18th 2017 (Passed)
Medical: - July 17th 2018
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I've read back through several pages of this thread and, though I understand very little of your jargon,

This may help,

Acronyms & Abbreviations of The CAF 
http://navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17309.0.html
5 pages.

Canadian Military Slang 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=930.0
14 pages.

Milnet.ca wiki
Canadian Military Acronyms
https://army.ca/wiki/index.php/Canadian_Military_Acronyms
« Last Edit: July 11, 2017, 09:57:04 by mariomike »

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I've read back through several pages of this thread and, though I understand very little of your jargon, I can see that the ACISS trade is experiencing a bit of turbulence in general as things are rapidly changing regarding the role of skilled ACISS operators. Though I have a very shallow understanding of what it is you guys really do (aside from the info on forces.ca) I just wanted to know what advice or thoughts you might have for someone currently applying to the Canadian Forces with ACISS as 1st pick for a trade.

ACISS in whatever form it will take will not change from its core mission: provide communications from the commander down to the warfighter on the ground. You'll slowly be exposed to a lot of different systems, and need to know a little bit of everything because in the field, all someone sees is a "Signaller" and not a sub occupation. A lot of the time you'll end up outside your comfort zone, troubleshooting anything that's electronic (like the morale tent's XBox). Be comfortable taking the brunt of criticism when something doesn't work; as much as tactical/strategic communications is a science, its a complicated science and a lot of our equipment is old/beaten up and prone to failure. People will know your name when something's broken, but you'll get asked who you are when everything is working properly.

Despite the mess that ACISS has become, I still love my job, and if you can live in a job that will go from dead-boredom to high-stress in a heartbeat when something critical is broken, you'll love it too.

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That last line...you're going to end up in the next recruiting video now for sure!!
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That last line...you're going to end up in the next recruiting video now for sure!!

There'd be too many F-bombs and non-Op HONOUR approved humour. I'm safe.  ;D

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Thanks so much puck. Hope to see you around one day hopefully!
Recruiting Centre: New Westminister, BC
Regular/ Reserve: Reg
Officer/NCM: NCM
Trade Choice 1: ACISS
Online Application: June 16th 2017
First Contact: June 22nd 2017
CFAT: July 18th 2017 (Passed)
Medical: - July 17th 2018
Interview: - July 17th 2018
Medical approved: Aug 1st 2018
Competition listed: Aug 3rd 2018
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There'd be too many F-bombs and non-Op HONOUR approved humour. I'm safe.  ;D

That's what beeps are for  :)
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I heard that they were going to make a decision on the ACISS trade as to what structure it will be yesterday.  Has anyone got anything ?

The decision brief was delivered to Dir RCCS by LCol Cote on 6 Jul 17.  Dir RCCS will deliver it to CCA at some point, not sure when.
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The decision brief was delivered to Dir RCCS by LCol Cote on 6 Jul 17.  Dir RCCS will deliver it to CCA at some point, not sure when.

Is the recommended COA still 4 distinct trades? I remember a few months ago that was the one that scored the highest in the working group, right next to combining CST/IST again (basically back to SigOp, Line, Tech).

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Is the recommended COA still 4 distinct trades? I remember a few months ago that was the one that scored the highest in the working group, right next to combining CST/IST again (basically back to SigOp, Line, Tech).

This is a conspiracy concocted at the highest levels to keep baiting ISTs with spec pay.

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This is a conspiracy concocted at the highest levels to keep baiting ISTs with spec pay.

The only people baiting ISTs with spec pay is ISTs. If you deserve it, you'll get it. Technicians who lost it because of this gongshow are the only people with a right to complain, if you bought the sales pitch that everyone was getting Spec 1 and CISTMs were going to get Spec 2, I really don't have much sympathy because that was like expecting a unicorn to show up and hand you a cheque.

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The only people baiting ISTs with spec pay is ISTs. If you deserve it, you'll get it. Technicians who lost it because of this gongshow are the only people with a right to complain, if you bought the sales pitch that everyone was getting Spec 1 and CISTMs were going to get Spec 2, I really don't have much sympathy because that was like expecting a unicorn to show up and hand you a cheque.

CISTMs getting SPEC 2. HA HA HA HA HA HA .........





HA HA HA....


Ha.


I started in the trade 6 years ago and I'll leave the trade with them still not sorting anything out. Maybe a couple of years down the road I'll get a big cheque with Spec 1 and Spec 2 written on it :P

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The only people baiting ISTs with spec pay is ISTs. If you deserve it, you'll get it. Technicians who lost it because of this gongshow are the only people with a right to complain

And complain I shall!
I love that my pay has been frozen all year though, nor have I seen the pay raise or back pay, top class.
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Soooo....anyone get their Spec back pay on the mid sept pay?


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And anyone get any confirmation on that trade review that was supposed to happen?  Last thing I saw was that maj giving a brief and he said the results of the trade review and the decision should be out a month or so ago.  My RUMINT was that they picked the COA for 4 distinct trades, anyone have anything concrete?
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All RUMINT at this point, haven't seen anything official. I know they did push 4 separate trades, but also heard that it went to Comd CA to recombine IST and CST into one trade again with occupational specialties. Throwing darts at a board to guess what the trades will look like in 2 years now....

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Is there an appropriate Dilbert reference for the last 15 years of Signals trade organization?

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Is there an appropriate Dilbert reference for the last 15 years of Signals trade organization?

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So in CA logic if we get you a new beret color and patch all Sigs reorg problems will solved right?
Hope is not a valid COA

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We're getting a patch?

Keep in mind the Sigs vote on beret colour was "we'll do it if everyone else is doing it." So not entirely our fault.

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We're getting a patch?

Keep in mind the Sigs vote on beret colour was "we'll do it if everyone else is doing it." So not entirely our fault.
Everyone else is not doing it. The Engineers said "That sounds stupid, we don't want any part of it." So, can we skip it?

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Hello everybody!

Well folks, don't worry, in about 2 more years, there will barely be a single (competent) IST to fight about!

Very very very many I know have already gotten out, are in the middle of getting out or already have OT's and plans in to get out. I would never have thought it would get as bad as it is for manning, but IST is a dead horse. Keep beating it, it'll turn into chunks of meat the dogs can eat soon enough.

From what I'm also told, it's close to that bad for all the Sigs trades, not just IST, but of course, IST is the worst off. I'm very curious to see how they will fill the vacuum. Do the higher chains of command even know how bad it is? As in, the Chief Sig and his Colonel counterpart? Or have they been kept in the dark and that's part of the problem? Is there a complete culture of 'yes' men silently deleting the entire trade by attrition?

PS> Yes, I left a year ago and am a civilian now as well but I'm still supporting the military in my job.
PPS> Going to go change my name now as I'm not 'IST' anymore.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 11:22:45 by BeyondTheNow »
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