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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #450 on: March 20, 2018, 11:57:57 »
The speaking is terrible, can they not find people who speak normally and don't sound like robots? Some good footage though.

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #451 on: March 20, 2018, 12:18:01 »
I'm pretty sure they were reading from a "PAO approved" script. 
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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #452 on: March 21, 2018, 18:55:16 »
https://twitter.com/MARPAC_FMARP/status/976210323341389824/photo/1

HMCS Chicoutimi is returning home tomorrow after six months away patrolling in the Asia-Pacific. Chicoutimi visited Hawaii, Guam, and Japan during a historic deployment.
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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #453 on: April 01, 2018, 22:01:12 »
CBC Video Link - Inside A Top Secret Canadian Submarine

Published on Feb 6, 2018

CBC News has gotten an exclusive look inside a top-secret Canadian submarine — so secret, we can't even tell you exactly where the submarine was when we got inside. The HMCS Chicoutimi is deep in the Pacific Ocean, within a few days' sail of the Korean Peninsula. Its task: to monitor supplies going into North Korea.
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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #455 on: April 22, 2018, 18:40:20 »
Not the best photo, and not much info on it that I could find (time of day, slant angle, etc) but my quick thoughts are, the holes and area immediately around them appear sunken/depressed, not raised.  I could be wrong, but the 'hole' part seems lower than the outer surrounding areas.  The areas around the darker, what appears to be lower 'holes' aren't close to the shape of a sub hull.   If it 'was' from fairweather/sails punching thru, nothing else appears to have disturbed the ice at all;  part of the reason for doing this is to demonstrate the ability to launch telephone poles - hard to do if only the sail is thru.   :2c:
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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #456 on: April 22, 2018, 19:54:57 »
Could these be from Nucs surfacing...

http://www.newsweek.com/arctic-ocean-nasas-operation-icebridge-mysterious-ice-holes-896488

I am no expert, but they look an awful lot like seal blow holes. They keep them open all winter so they can breath while hunting.

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #457 on: April 22, 2018, 21:10:47 »
They look to be very big to be blow holes for seals, don’t they?

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #459 on: April 22, 2018, 21:18:13 »
Well there's no scale with the picture.  I look out windows and operate EO/IR cameras (and have in the Arctic) and judging distance and size can be difficult with zero references.  If there was a skidoo, or a person, or anything for scale, that would help.

Here's some pics of US and UK boats punching holes in ice.  https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,126514.msg1529056.html#msg1529056
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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #461 on: April 23, 2018, 08:04:48 »
Well there's no scale with the picture.  I look out windows and operate EO/IR cameras (and have in the Arctic) and judging distance and size can be difficult with zero references.  If there was a skidoo, or a person, or anything for scale, that would help.

Here's some pics of US and UK boats punching holes in ice.  https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,126514.msg1529056.html#msg1529056

I agree that not having any of scale to reference makes it a guessing game but after looking at some of the pics with the Nucs tower just punching through the ice there are similarities.
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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #462 on: April 23, 2018, 08:35:37 »
The article specifies that the pictures were taken early the same month (April of this year).

You may see in the picture, near the bottom, that a fourth similar hole has already re-closed, and looking to the left, that two much smaller hole appear to have existed then re-closed. It's a grouping.

I would like to propose another possible cause: On April 1, 2018, Chinese space station Tiangong 1 came crashing to earth from a generally polar orbit. This could just be a crash site of some of its parts. You never know where when they crash in the oceans, but investigating the bottom of the area in the picture would permit confirmation - or not - of my hypothesis.

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #463 on: April 24, 2018, 08:13:22 »
The article specifies that the pictures were taken early the same month (April of this year).

You may see in the picture, near the bottom, that a fourth similar hole has already re-closed, and looking to the left, that two much smaller hole appear to have existed then re-closed. It's a grouping.

I would like to propose another possible cause: On April 1, 2018, Chinese space station Tiangong 1 came crashing to earth from a generally polar orbit. This could just be a crash site of some of its parts. You never know where when they crash in the oceans, but investigating the bottom of the area in the picture would permit confirmation - or not - of my hypothesis.

The timing of the above occurring also lines a bit nicely with 2 US and 1 Brit nuclear sub teaming up for drills in the arctic -

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/politics/uss-hartford-nuclear-submarine-arctic/index.html

All three seem to line up nicely.  The article does say that its was a 5 week training time period....

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #464 on: June 12, 2018, 08:04:17 »
Funny how the CBC only publishes this article 2 months after the training session occurred.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/canadian-submarines-not-part-of-international-arctic-under-ice-exercise-1.4699208

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #465 on: June 12, 2018, 08:39:41 »
Funny how the CBC only publishes this article 2 months after the training session occurred.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/canadian-submarines-not-part-of-international-arctic-under-ice-exercise-1.4699208

The CBC writes an article lamenting how we don't have Nuc subs, never mind that the infrastructure would be pretty extensive since we don't have servicing, maintenance, etc for them.  If Canada were to have them, I'll be $ that there would be articles protesting that we do. 

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #466 on: June 12, 2018, 09:05:17 »
Well, at least they found another "Arctic Sovereignty and Security" expert than prof Michael Byers. Kudos for raising their game!

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #468 on: June 12, 2018, 12:18:48 »
The CBC writes an article lamenting how we don't have Nuc subs, never mind that the infrastructure would be pretty extensive since we don't have servicing, maintenance, etc for them.  If Canada were to have them, I'll be $ that there would be articles protesting that we do. 

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #469 on: June 12, 2018, 14:28:46 »
See these accounts of the Mulroney government's quixotic effort to acquire SSNs in late 1980s, mainly to boost "Arctic sovereignty"--but terribly expensive, domestically contentious (USN also strongly opposed) and then Cold War started ending:

1) By US DoD official at the time:
 
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TAKING A DIVE FOR A FRIEND--THE DECISION [by Ronald Reagan, who Mulroney got on with very well] TO TRANSFER NUCLEAR SUBMARINE TECHNOLOGY TO CANADA
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a437607.pdf

2) By Canadian academic:

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Sovereignty, Security and the Canadian Nuclear Submarine Program
http://www.journal.forces.gc.ca/vo8/no4/lajeunes-eng.asp

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #470 on: June 12, 2018, 14:57:37 »
Thank you for providing this document for reading!

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #471 on: June 12, 2018, 15:17:23 »
Czech_pivo: pleasure is mine.  Yet another of our wonderful procurement escapades, though more overly-ambitious than most ;).

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #472 on: June 12, 2018, 21:20:54 »
A lot of the content in the articles still rings true today - we do shop out the enforcement of our sovereignty to the US in the Arctic.

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #473 on: June 13, 2018, 10:37:45 »
As we are finding out, having someone else do our sovereignty protection, comes at a price. 

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Re: Status on Victoria-class Submarines?
« Reply #474 on: June 13, 2018, 12:51:45 »
Probably doesn't belong in this thread, but perhaps with all that's going on in the news lately, would there be a slight revisit to a 'Canada-class'?