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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1450 on: April 19, 2017, 14:33:27 »
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1451 on: April 19, 2017, 15:37:53 »
Awww, C'mon Mark!  If you can't trust the Gummint who can you trust?
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1452 on: April 19, 2017, 15:48:54 »
Well jmt18325, this is NOT a good start. The PM is an embarrassment.

That is an assessment that certainly isn't universally shared.  I don't really care what she thinks about his body language.

So I ask again - what is it that Canada and Canadians should be doing, other than looking scary to appease someone who reads body language?

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1453 on: April 19, 2017, 16:30:28 »
That is an assessment that certainly isn't universally shared.  I don't really care what she thinks about his body language.

So I ask again - what is it that Canada and Canadians should be doing, other than looking scary to appease someone who reads body language?

Supplying more ships at sea to police the sea lanes to free up USN assets for confrontations with the likes of Syria and North Korea.  (Confrontation, like judgmental and discriminating is not a bad word).
Providing more Logistics capability, prepositioned afloat, airborne and on shore to be able to respond effectively to crises, humanitarian or military.
Providing more air/anti-air capability to provide cover for less wealthy friends in situations of greater risk than ourselves.
Providing more ISR capabilities for situational awareness at home and abroad.
Provide more combat capability to provide protection for any and all of the above deployed abroad.

In short, being a rich country that benefits from a secure world, putting some of that money towards the maintenance of that secure world.  The standard premium is 2.7% of GDP (minimum).
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1454 on: April 19, 2017, 16:35:59 »
Supplying more ships at sea to police the sea lanes to free up USN assets for confrontations with the likes of Syria and North Korea.  (Confrontation, like judgmental and discriminating is not a bad word).
Providing more Logistics capability, prepositioned afloat, airborne and on shore to be able to respond effectively to crises, humanitarian or military.
Providing more air/anti-air capability to provide cover for less wealthy friends in situations of greater risk than ourselves.
Providing more ISR capabilities for situational awareness at home and abroad.
Provide more combat capability to provide protection for any and all of the above deployed abroad.

In short, being a rich country that benefits from a secure world, putting some of that money towards the maintenance of that secure world.  The standard premium is 2.7% of GDP (minimum).

Example here, Send a Squadron of Hornets to Okinawa, freeing up American pilots and air craft to be used in any confrontation with North Korea, Naval assets can take over American patrols in the Pacific. Plenty we can do as a military to support the US military, Given Chinese financial assets in Canada, we could probably also put pressure on China as well to do something about NK.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1455 on: April 19, 2017, 16:58:26 »
I doubt Canada could send a full squadron anywhere without severely impacting operations within our own country.  (I could be wrong here but...not by much I bet).  We can't really contribute a whole helluva lot in our current state.  So anything meaningful will need to begin with a huge increase in the defence budget and rebuilding and reshaping the CAF (including a c2 rethink) to meet Canada's needs now and in to the future.  My sense is tha CAF is currently struggling to stay afloat.  Until then Canada can meekly complain from the sidelines or at best be a resource base for US/UK and the rest of NATO.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1456 on: April 19, 2017, 17:30:02 »
I doubt Canada could send a full squadron anywhere without severely impacting operations within our own country.  (I could be wrong here but...not by much I bet).  We can't really contribute a whole helluva lot in our current state.  So anything meaningful will need to begin with a huge increase in the defence budget and rebuilding and reshaping the CAF (including a c2 rethink) to meet Canada's needs now and in to the future.  My sense is tha CAF is currently struggling to stay afloat.  Until then Canada can meekly complain from the sidelines or at best be a resource base for US/UK and the rest of NATO.

QV, I agree.   My point is that there is a rationale for upping our "intervention budget" from the 1.1% currently (0.9% on defence and 0.2% on aid) to 2.7%.  The rationale is sound on moral grounds (see above) and more importantly it is contracted for (unless we assume that "agreements" are understood the same way that Bill Clinton understands "sex").

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1457 on: April 19, 2017, 17:36:15 »
Chris we are pitching from the same mound.  I agree on all your points.  I was referring to MilEME09 where he said "plenty we can do as a military..." - I took that to mean in our present state. 

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1458 on: April 19, 2017, 17:38:37 »
Chris we are pitching from the same mound.  I agree on all your points.  I was referring to MilEME09 where he said "plenty we can do as a military..." - I took that to mean in our present state.

Seen QV.  Sorry.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1459 on: April 19, 2017, 19:17:34 »
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Chris Pook:

Supplying more ships at sea to police the sea lanes to free up USN assets for confrontations with the likes of Syria and North Korea.  (Confrontation, like judgmental and discriminating is not a bad word).
    Providing more Logistics capability, prepositioned afloat, airborne and on shore to be able to respond effectively to crises, humanitarian or military.
    Providing more air/anti-air capability to provide cover for less wealthy friends in situations of greater risk than ourselves.
    Providing more ISR capabilities for situational awareness at home and abroad.
    Provide more combat capability to provide protection for any and all of the above deployed abroad.

    In short, being a rich country that benefits from a secure world, putting some of that money towards the maintenance of that secure world.  The standard premium is 2.7% of GDP (minimum).


MilEME09: Example here, Send a Squadron of Hornets to Okinawa, freeing up American pilots and air craft to be used in any confrontation with North Korea, Naval assets can take over American patrols in the Pacific. Plenty we can do as a military to support the US military, Given Chinese financial assets in Canada, we could probably also put pressure on China as well to do something about NK

But we are a mooch. Instead of doing our share of NORAD/NATO or doing more as above to assist our largest trading partner, number one defence partner, we would rather mooch and squeal.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1460 on: April 19, 2017, 19:18:55 »
Supplying more ships at sea to police the sea lanes to free up USN assets for confrontations with the likes of Syria and North Korea.  (Confrontation, like judgmental and discriminating is not a bad word).
Providing more Logistics capability, prepositioned afloat, airborne and on shore to be able to respond effectively to crises, humanitarian or military.
Providing more air/anti-air capability to provide cover for less wealthy friends in situations of greater risk than ourselves.
Providing more ISR capabilities for situational awareness at home and abroad.
Provide more combat capability to provide protection for any and all of the above deployed abroad.

In short, being a rich country that benefits from a secure world, putting some of that money towards the maintenance of that secure world.  The standard premium is 2.7% of GDP (minimum).

The standard premium is far from 2.7% of GDP.  How do I know that - because almost no one is paying that.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1461 on: April 19, 2017, 23:34:13 »
Then we shouldn't have signed on the dotted line.

Just because nobody else is living up to their word then we don't have to live up to ours.  Understood.

Trump sounds quite justified if he decides to renege on Obama's Paris signature.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1462 on: April 19, 2017, 23:46:34 »
The last time our signature meant something Pearson was PM

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1463 on: April 20, 2017, 00:14:14 »
The last time our signature meant something Pearson was PM

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Actually no,

Canada has always been relevent in global situations, ya the whole Peacekeeping schtick and all..

That has been right up until our current Government.  I won't let you caste away Canada's significance that easily.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1464 on: April 21, 2017, 13:41:51 »
Actually no,

Canada has always been relevent in global situations, ya the whole Peacekeeping schtick and all..

That has been right up until our current Government.  I won't let you caste away Canada's significance that easily.

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I wouldn't go that far, I'd say it was the Chretien years, who remembers The Kyoto protocol?
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1465 on: April 21, 2017, 13:48:43 »
Good overview of the latest from Reuters wire service, shared under the Fair Use provisions of the Copyright Act ...
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South Korea on heightened alert as North readies for army anniversary

By Ju-min Park and Ben Blanchard | SEOUL/BEIJING

South Korea said on Friday it was on heightened alert ahead of another important anniversary in North Korea, with a large concentration of military hardware amassed on both sides of the border amid concerns about a new nuclear test by Pyongyang.

North Korea said late on Friday the state of affairs on the Korean peninsula was "extremely perilous" because of "madcap American nuclear war manoeuvres aimed at trampling on our sovereignty and right to survival."

U.S. officials said there was a higher-than-usual level of activity by Chinese bombers, signalling a possible heightened state of readiness by reclusive North Korea's sole major ally, although the officials played down concern and left open a range of possible reasons. Beijing denied its aircraft were on an increased level of alert.

In Russia, the RIA news agency said a Kremlin spokesman declined to comment on media reports Russia was moving military hardware and troops towards the border with North Korea.

U.S. and South Korean officials have been saying for weeks that the North could soon stage another nuclear test in violation of United Nations sanctions, something both the United States and China have warned against.

North Korea marks the 85th anniversary of the foundation of its Korean People's Army on Tuesday, an important anniversary that comes at the end of major winter military drills, South Korea's Unification Ministry spokesman Lee Duk-haeng said.

Top envoys from the United States, South Korea and Japan are due to meet on Tuesday, South Korea's foreign ministry said, to "discuss plans to rein in North Korea's additional high-strength provocations, to maximize pressure on the North, and to ensure China's constructive role in resolving the North Korea nuclear issue".

South Korea and the United States have also been conducting annual joint military exercises, which the North routinely criticises as a prelude to invasion.

"It is a situation where a lot of exercise equipment is amassed in North Korea and also a lot of strategic assets are situated on the Korean peninsula because of the South Korea-U.S. military drills," Lee told a briefing.

"We are closely watching the situation and will not be letting our guards down."

U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday praised Chinese efforts to rein in "the menace of North Korea", after North Korean state media warned the United States of a "super-mighty preemptive strike".

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said on Friday North Korea's rhetoric was provocative but he had learned not to trust it.

"UNUSUAL MOVES"

The North's foreign ministry said in a statement that its military was ready to respond to American aggression.

"Now that we possess mighty nuclear power to protect ourselves from U.S. nuclear threat, we will respond without the slightest hesitation to full-out war with full-out war and to nuclear war with our style of nuclear strike, and we will emerge victor in the final battle with the United States."

In a tweet, Trump said: "China is very much the economic lifeline to North Korea so, while nothing is easy, if they want to solve the North Korean problem, they will."

The president told a news conference "some very unusual moves have been made over the last two or three hours", and that he was confident Chinese President Xi Jinping would "try very hard" to pressure North Korea over its nuclear and missile programmes.

Trump gave no indication of what the moves might be. None of the U.S. officials who told Reuters about the heightened level of activity by Chinese bombers suggested alarm or signalled that they knew the precise reason for such activity.

China's Defence Ministry said its forces on the border with North Korea were maintaining a state of normal combat preparedness and training.

Asked earlier about Trump's comments, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said Xi and Trump had had a full and deep discussion about North Korea when they met this month.

"I can only say that via deep communications between China and the U.S. at various levels including at the highest levels, the U.S. now has an even fuller and more correct understanding of China's policy and position and has a more rounded understanding of China's efforts," Lu said. "We feel very gratified about this."

An official Chinese newspaper said there was optimism about persuading the North to end its pursuit of a nuclear programme without the use of force, "now that even the once tough-talking Donald Trump is onboard for a peaceful solution".

"Beijing has demonstrated due enthusiasm for Washington's newfound interest in a diplomatic solution and willingness to work more closely with it," the state-run China Daily said in an editorial.

In Russia's Far East, some media have cited residents as saying they have seen military hardware being moved towards North Korea, but Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said deployment of Russian troops inside Russia was not a public matter.

Tensions have risen sharply in recent months after North Korea conducted two nuclear weapons tests last year and carried out a steady stream of ballistic missile tests. Trump has vowed to prevent North Korea from being able to hit the United States with a nuclear missile.

"RED LINE"

North Korea has said it will test missiles when it sees fit and a South Korean analyst said he believed the country would do so.

"Without crossing the red line such as a nuclear test or a test launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile, until the April 25 anniversary of the Korean People's Army, North Korea is expected to continue to launch mid-range missiles," said Cheong Seong-chang, a senior research fellow at Sejong Institute outside Seoul.

The joint U.S.-South Korea military exercises are due to finish at the end of April.

A U.S. aircraft carrier strike group, led by the USS Carl Vinson, is heading towards the Korean Peninsula, Trump's administration has said.

North Korea test-fired what the United States believed was a mid-range missile on Sunday. It blew up almost immediately.

The failed launch came a day after the 105th anniversary of the birth of North Korea’s founding father, Kim Il Sung, the current leader's grandfather.

    There is concern the North will use the next big day on its calendar, April 25, to show off its strength.

"Although North Korea attempted a missile launch but failed on April 16, considering the April 25 anniversary of the Korean People's Army, there are concerns that it can make another provocation again at any time," South Korea's acting president Hwang Kyo-ahn told top officials on Thursday.

He called on the military to maintain readiness.

(Addtional reporting by Polina Devitt in MOSCOW, Idrees Ali in TEL AVIV; Writing by Jack Kim; Editing by Robert Birsel and Alex Richardson)
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1466 on: April 21, 2017, 14:08:47 »
Canada might be in for a very rude awakening.

We have 3 lines of operation going right now (Latvia, Ukraine and Iraq) along with contemplation of a symbolic but resource intensive Blue Beret mission in Africa, with a government determined to keep spending constant or even cut it.

At the same time we have:

Non traditional threats requiring far different enablers growing, even in the areas we are operating in now.
New threats in the Pacific, which don't even seem to be on Ottawa's radar.
A US administration demanding Alliance partners take up their share of defense spending.
A growing threat of disruptive activities to attacks on civilians and infrastructure at home as part of the global terrorist threat.

Of course a mad rush to make up these deficiencies is going to be expensive and counter productive, but without a steady and incremental improvement in various capabilities and investment in new capabilities, we are lacking in options now, unprepared for the future and in grave danger of being outflanked or otherwise rendered irrelevant when things go south. And this can take all kinds of forms, from being frozen out of higher level decision making to discovering trade agreements and economic plans we had taken for granted are suddenly on the bargaining table.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1467 on: April 24, 2017, 12:38:15 »
https://www.navytimes.com/articles/carried-away-the-inside-story-of-how-the-carl-vinsons-canceled-port-visit-sparked-a-global-crisis
Carried away: The inside story of how the Carl Vinson's canceled port visit sparked a global crisis
By: David B. Larter, April 23, 2017
In early April, officials at U.S. Pacific Command were developing plans to respond to a sharp rise in tensions with North Korea. Defense Secretary James Mattis ordered PACOM Commander Adm. Harry Harris to come up with “robust and sustainable” options for North Korea if President Trump ordered a strike on the rogue regime, according to four defense officials who spoke on background.

Harris was traveling in Washington away from his Hawaii base of operations, something that he dislikes because, in his view, something always seems to happen when he’s not in his office. At one point that week, top PACOM officials called Harris to recommend that Vinson cancel its upcoming trip to Australia and make its way back to the waters near North Korea where the carrier had just been in March, thus serving as one of the responses to Mattis’s directive that they explore military options for the Trump administration.

The plan was to truncate a secretive exercise with the Australians near Indonesia, to cancel Vinson’s visit to Perth and then head the direction of the Korean Peninsula — meaning Vinson would be off North Korea by the end of the month.

Changing an aircraft carrier’s schedule is not a small muscle movement. Host nations expecting a visit from the mighty U.S. big decks have to do a fair amount of leg work to prepare for the visit. Furthermore, a good number of sailors had family flying out to Australia to meet their sailors. An Australia port visit is the holy grail for sailors on a Western Pacific deployment.

The easiest thing to do, PACOM officials decided, would be send out a press release announcing the canceled port visit — making it easier for families to get their money back from airlines and letting all parties know why the Vinson wouldn’t be visiting the Land Down Under.

And it would have another effect: it would put North Korea on notice by announcing the plans in a press release, which included language that not-so-subtly dropped that Harris had “directed the Carl Vinson Strike Group to sail north and report on station in the western Pacific Ocean after departing Singapore April, 8,” roughly the direction North Korea lies from Singapore. A press release, PACOM officials thought, was the perfect solution to wrap up all the loose ends from the carrier’s schedule change.

Sending the release with the thinly veiled language would be a message to North Korea and nervous allies alike: The Navy’s big guns were on the way so behave accordingly.

“A press release was really the only option,” one official said.

But that’s when things went haywire.

Over the course of 10 days, a series of gaffes and missteps throughout the entire national security structure to its highest levels would raise the specter of a nuclear showdown, send the U.S. and Chinese governments into crisis mode, and expose alarming communication deficiencies within the American military at large. The breakdown fueled a war frenzy at major newspapers and networks, running with the narrative that Trump was diverting the carrier personally to send a message, outlandish claims made without checking for facts until the crisis rhetoric had spun out of control.

This behind-the-scenes account is based on interviews with nearly a dozen defense officials in Washington, and in the Pacific, all of whom spoke to Navy Times on the condition of anonymity to relay in candid terms how the carrier's movement blew up from a routine Navy operation to a full-on crisis.

The war drums began beating on April 8, the day a press release came out from U.S. 3rd Fleet announcing the carrier’s move. U.S. 3rd Fleet has operational control of Vinson during its tour of the Pacific. But two hours before the 3rd Fleet's press statement hit the streets, Reuters news agency published a story that said the Vinson Strike Group, which was visiting Singapore at the time, would proceed from there to the waters off North Korea to send a message to the rogue Korean regime, which is poised to detonate the country’s sixth nuclear bomb test.

The Reuters story, followed by the unusual move from the Navy of discussing ship movements, created an initial flurry of press reports and speculation. Coming just two days after Trump’s surprising and widely praised decision to strike the Assad regime in Syria for its chemical attack on Syrian civilians, speculation swirled that the president was feeling emboldened. Maybe Korean leader Kim Jong Un would be the next recipient of a Trump-ordered barrage of cruise missiles.

Meanwhile, the Vinson and its escorts were not heading north. They were moving in the opposite direction, belying the conjecture that a strike on North Korea was imminent.

Nevertheless, by April 9, breathless news reports were proliferating through the press, including Navy Times. CNN and the other networks were beginning to get on a war footing. The New York Times claimed that “Rerouting the naval armada is President Trump’s latest escalation in force against a potential adversary,” although Trump doesn’t appear to have had anything to do with the order at all.

“The media just went nuts,” one source with close knowledge of the situation said.

When asked about the Vinson’s movement during an appearance on Fox News, Army Gen. H. R. McMaster, President Trump’s national security advisor, said the step was “prudent” and went on to state the commitment by the U.S. to getting nuclear weapons off the Korean Peninsula.

McMaster seemed to be saying that Harris’s move was a logical one under the broader guidance from Mattis and Trump's team on the National Security Council to draw up military options for North Korea. But the interview was the first in a string of missed opportunities for senior defense officials to correct the record on what Vinson was doing. Instead, everyone from McMaster and Mattis to the president himself inaccurately stated what Vinson's intentions were.

It was at this early phase when things could have been corrected with an additional release from PACOM, according to defense officials who spoke to Navy Times, an assessment many experts agreed with.

It would have been a quick and easy fix if the military had simply sent out a press release detailing Vinson’s plans and clarifying the initial release, said Bryan Clark, retired Navy officer who was a senior aide to former Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jon Greenert and analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. A flawed narrative might have been stopped in its tracks and prevented rattling a region on the brink of conflict, he said.

“It’s really shocking that they let this go for nearly two weeks without trying to correct the record,” he said.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1468 on: April 24, 2017, 15:37:45 »
Several news items of which the subject of the meetings may also include NK:

Fox News report the meeting is being held under tight security, snipers (NZ SAS?) in a remote area. Note also UN Security Council meeting at the WH today and lunch with the President during the briefings.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/329345/pm-confirms-'five-eyes'-conference-in-queenstown 24 Apr 17


Prime Minister Bill English has confirmed a meeting of the 'Five Eyes' intelligence group is being held in New Zealand this week.


Bill EnglishPM Bill English Photo: RNZ

The meeting of intelligence leaders from the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand is being held in Arrowtown.

There has been increased security in Queenstown and a private jet that has been linked to the American CIA landed at Wellington Airport on Friday.

Among those understood to be attending are the FBI director James Comey and the CIA director Mike Pompeo.

Mr English told Morning Report that Chris Finlayson, the Minister responsible for the SIS and the GCSB, was attending the conference.

"One of the regular conferences that they have, we work with the other four countries, combating terrorism, protecting our citizens around the world. So it's an arrangement that works well for New Zealand."

Mr English will attend a dinner at the conference.

He declined to say what specific issues were on the agenda.

Watch Bill English on Morning Report at link.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/24/entire-senate-being-called-to-white-house-for-north-korea-briefing.html

Entire Senate being called to White House for North Korea briefing
Published April 24, 2017

The entire U.S. Senate has been invited to the White House for a briefing Wednesday on the North Korea situation, amid escalating tensions over the country’s missile tests and bellicose rhetoric.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer confirmed the upcoming briefing, for all 100 senators, on Monday.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats plan to provide the update to lawmakers.

It is rare for the entire Senate to be invited to such a briefing.

Spicer clarified that while the event will take place on the White House campus, it is technically a Senate briefing and Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is the one who convened it.

The briefing, first reported by Reuters, was confirmed after President Trump earlier spoke to the leaders of both China and Japan.

Trump spoke by phone with Chinese President Xi Jinping and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

Xi told Trump that China strongly opposed North Korea’s nuclear weapons program and hoped “all parties will exercise restraint and avoid aggravating the situation,” according to Chinese broadcaster CCTV. Trump hopes China could increase pressure on its isolated ally instead of using military options or trying to overthrow Kim Jong Un’s regime.

Trump and Abe agreed to urge North Korea to refrain from provocative actions.

Meanwhile, U.S. commercial satellite images indicated increased activity around North Korea’s nuclear test site, while Kim has said that the country’s preparation for an ICBM launch is in its “final stage.”

South Korea’s Defense Ministry has said the North appears ready to conduct such "strategic provocations" at any time. South Korean Acting Prime Minister Hwang Kyo-ahn has instructed his military to strengthen its "immediate response posture" in case North Korea does something significant on the April 25 anniversary of its military. North Korea often marks significant dates by displaying military capability.

On Monday, Trump also had lunch with ambassadors of countries on the U.N. Security Council. Ahead of the meeting, Trump called for “big reforms” at the U.N. and criticizing its handling of recent events in Syria and North Korea – but said it has “tremendous potential.”

"You just don't see the United Nations, like, solving conflicts. I think that's going to start happening now," he said.

Fox News’ Mike Emanuel and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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« Reply #1469 on: April 24, 2017, 16:52:41 »
And in the same vein:

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President Trump to host unusual meeting with UN Security Council

Trump will host members of the United Nations Security Council at the White House Monday.

The meeting is unusual because of Trump's harsh criticism of the UN during his campaign.
U.S. Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley has scheduled Security Council meetings on Tuesday.
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President Trump will host members of the United Nations Security Council at the White House Monday, a highly unusual meeting made even more startling because of his harsh criticism of the international institution during the campaign and since taking office.

U.S. Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is serving this month as the President of the Security Council, a role that rotates each month among the five permanent members: the U.S., Great Britain, France, China and Russia. There are 15 members of the group — but the others, right now including Egypt, Japan, Senegal, Bolivia, Ethiopia, Italy, Kazakhstan, Sweden, Ukraine and Uruguay are non-voting members.

Haley will be attending before the group returns to New York for scheduled Security Council meetings on Tuesday.

The president's budget outline proposed deep cuts in the U.S. contribution to the UN, which could dramatically impair its peacekeeping functions around the world.

Other high profile UN functions include refugee relief and vetting of refugee visa applicants to the U.S, the World Health Organization, UNICEF and the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna — the weapons inspectors who monitor Iran's compliance with the nuclear deal.

Diplomatic sources told NBC News the ambassadors are expecting to have coffee at Blair House — also known as the The President's Guest House — with members of Congress Monday morning and then go to the White House to meet with the President and have lunch.

North Korea will inevitably be a major point of discussion.

China abstained on a UN resolution last week condemning the latest missile test — instead of vetoing it — a symbolic gesture. But Beijing has so far resisted tougher action.

The Trump administration could unilaterally impose much tougher banking sanctions against North Korea if it wanted to — similar to the Obama administration's past sanctions on Iran — for instance blocking all foreign banks who deal with North Korea from trading in dollars or banking in the U.S. That would be a direct hit on China's financing of the regime in Pyongyang.

So far, however, the Trump White House has not chosen that route but has repeatedly said "all options are on the table," implying military action was possible.

Many experts, including former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, have discounted the viability of preemptive military strikes given the proximity of millions of people in Seoul and 28,500 U.S. troops in South Korea, all within artillery range of North Korea if it were to retaliate.

This all comes as an American citizen, a Korean-American accounting instructor, was detained Sunday at the airport in Pyongyang while trying to leave the country after having been there for a month.

The State Department has reached out to Sweden's embassy, the protectorate for the U.S. in North Korea, to try to obtain his release.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/24/president-trump-to-host-unusual-meeting-with-un-security-council.html

So, we have the following extraordinary meetings:

UNSC with members of Congress (under the auspices of the White House) Monday
UNSC with POTUS at the White House Monday
UNSC meeting scheduled at the UN on Tuesday
US Senate being briefed at White House on Wednesday by Sec State, Sec Def, CJCS and DNI
ABCANZUS Intelligence being briefed by Dir FBI and Dir CIA in Australia on Friday.

Fascinating.

All the more fascinating for how "collegial" the approach seems to be.   Hardly authoritarian at all.  Just very different.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1470 on: April 24, 2017, 16:58:50 »
... So, we have the following extraordinary meetings:

UNSC with members of Congress (under the auspices of the White House) Monday
UNSC with POTUS at the White House Monday
UNSC meeting scheduled at the UN on Tuesday
US Senate being briefed at White House on Wednesday by Sec State, Sec Def, CJCS and DNI
ABCANZUS Intelligence being briefed by Dir FBI and Dir CIA in Australia on Friday
"Special ministerial meeting of the United Nations Security Council" to be chaired by U.S. SecState Tillerson Friday @ U.N. ...
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1471 on: April 24, 2017, 20:02:06 »
http://www.euronews.com/2017/04/21/russia-north-korea-border-troop-movements-our-business

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

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Russia is denying reports that it has been moving troops to the border with North Korea amid heightened regional tension, despite contradictory accounts from local witnesses.

Pictures which appeared on social media this week purport to show Russian military vehicles and helicopters near Vladivostock in the Primorsky region.

The video has been authenticated by the Associated Press based on the opinions of regional experts and the news agency’s own reporting.

But the Russian military has said these were normal manoeuvres unconnected to the North Korean situation.

“These are totally pre-planned military exercises, which are in no way related to political issues,” Alexander Gordeyev, a spokesman for Russia’s Eastern military district was quoted as saying. He added that the hardware people had seen was being transported back to base following the drills.

The Kremlin’s spokesman said this was Russia’s business only.

“The issue of deployment and redeployment of troops inside the country does not fall into the category of public affairs. Any country in the process of building its own security reacts to changes in the international situation,” Dmitry Peskov said.

Some media in Russia’s Far East have cited local residents as saying they have seen military hardware being moved towards North Korea.

Following last weekend’s anniversary parade that gave North Korea a chance to show off new weaponry, the country has more events lined up next week.

Pyongyang has called the situation on the Korean peninsula was “extremely perilous” because of “madcap American nuclear war manoeuvres”.

South Korea remains on heightened alert for another possible nuclear test by the North. Seoul has been running joint military exercises with the United States, which are due to finish at the end of April.

“A lot of exercise equipment is amassed in North Korea and also a lot of strategic assets are situated in the Korean peninsula because of the South Korea-US military drills,” South Korea’s Unification Ministry spokesman Lee Duk-haeng told a news briefing.

Concurrently, reports of Chinese troop movements (exercises) in the North Korean border area

http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-korea-tensions-reports-of-chinese-troops-on-border-20170411-gviljw.html

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China's foreign ministry spokeswoman on Monday said she was "not aware" of the South Korean reports of a Chinese troop build-up.

But the Global Times said the reports were being widely circulated, and cited South Korean diplomats as saying that while the claims may be slightly exaggerated, it was true that military drills were conducted in the border area.

The People's Liberation Army has recently expressed concern that northern Chinese towns were at risk of nuclear pollution from North Korea's tests, and said that contamination would not be tolerated.

Europe has a refugee crisis. 

What would be the effect of a refugee crisis on Russia and China?  And how might one organize such a thing?







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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1472 on: April 24, 2017, 20:29:19 »
... reports of Chinese troop movements (exercises) in the North Korean border area

http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-korea-tensions-reports-of-chinese-troops-on-border-20170411-gviljw.html ...
... dutifully denied by Beijing week before last (and again this past weekend) -- BUT with a (CHN Communist Party organ) Global Times editorial calling for a bit of ... give by North Korea:
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... Pyongyang has pursued an independent course since the end of the Korean War. The integrity of the nation's sovereignty is much higher than that of South Korea. This has impressed quite a few people. Yet given North Korea's current national strength as well as its peculiar geopolitical circumstances, it must learn how to be flexible as well as resolute. Taking a small step back will make a conflict easier to solve. This does not mean being a coward, but being courageous to face the challenge in a different way.

The North Korea nuclear issue is like a puzzle filled with bombs. Pyongyang must not strike a match and detonate it. What it needs is big wisdom to realize a soft landing.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1473 on: April 24, 2017, 20:31:01 »
To brief all 100 members of the Senate is interesting. I think Trump is setting the stage to strike North Korea.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #1474 on: April 26, 2017, 18:49:39 »
Target.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/26/north-korea-releases-dramatic-images-largest-ever-live-fire/

Can't help but wonder how many bleeding eardrums there are.  Impact on command and control?
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