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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #925 on: September 20, 2017, 11:11:54 »
In a non-voting, not permanent kind of way.   ^-^

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #926 on: September 20, 2017, 11:30:03 »
More like a fart, all noise no substance.  Smells somewhat and leaves no lasting impact or impression.  But hey, great selfie opportunities will abound if it comes to fruition.
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #927 on: September 20, 2017, 11:51:06 »
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I think Canada would be a great addition to the UN Security Council, so power to him.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/super-hornet-jet-fighters-sales-1.4297528     Posted in another thread, MarkOttawa:
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Lunacy


Air force eyes resale value of Super Hornets even before deal is done

Extract: "I encourage people who work with Boeing across the country to tell the company the extent to which its actions against the Canadian aerospace industry is not in its interest and certainly not in the interest of Canadians," the prime minister said at a news conference in Ottawa.
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I think Canada would be a great addition to the UN Security Council, so power to him.

Now who is going to tell their employer that it is not in their business interest, and as a Cdn, not in the employee's interest, to fight with the LPC favorite charity? What company in Canada that has contracts with Boeing is going to tell Boeing it is not in their interest to fight with the LPC favorite charity?

Lunacy.

"...so power to him".  Unfortunately for Canada he has power.

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/canada-has-a-whole-lot-of-reasons-to-support-boeing

Canada has a whole lot of reasons to support Boeing 14 Sep 17

Rick Clayton: Boeing contributes billions of dollars and thousands of jobs to the Canadian economy. It’s time this story was told

Every time a Boeing jet flies anywhere in the world, a large number of parts on that plane are made in Canada by Canadians. The Boeing Company in Canada contributes billions of dollars and thousands of jobs annually to the Canadian economy from coast to coast to coast. It’s time this story was told, because too few Canadians seem to know about it, and Boeing represents the kind of global industrial partner and champion Canada needs.

In 2016, Boeing retained Doyletech Corp. of Ottawa to conduct an analysis of Boeing’s impact in Canada. We did not focus on economic impact alone; we also considered Boeing’s regional impacts, technology innovation, exports and use of highly qualified personnel. We specifically zeroed-in on Boeing’s management approaches to manufacturing. This last factor is critical; it is the mainspring for why Canada benefits so much from Boeing’s activities.

Under Canada’s shrewdly structured purchasing rules, offshore suppliers including Boeing have to offset purchases by the Canadian government with equivalent spending in Canada. So as Canada purchases Boeing planes, Boeing must find equal purchases in our country. Usually such international suppliers try to buy usable parts within the purchasing country or, in the worst case, to buy any local output and try to resell it on world markets.

As Canada purchases Boeing planes, Boeing must find equal purchases in our country
 
Boeing did something better. It established its own dedicated factory in Winnipeg, to make advanced composite material components it can use for the entire Boeing product line. This plant is now the third-most-important aerospace manufacturing facility in Canada, and its output is growing rapidly. Boeing supports a number of other Canadian companies that are further developing this technology independently, as well as Canadian industry-academia research networks, which bring more potential for Canada’s future manufacturing. So Boeing is building Canada’s overall capability in a cutting-edge technology that has a big future, and not just for aerospace.

Boeing still spends several hundred million dollars purchasing parts and services from the Canadian aerospace sector. And this supply chain extends all across Canada. The firm’s purchases help the entire Canadian aerospace sector reach economies of scale, develop leading-edge technology, and offer innovations that can be sold to global markets. Boeing is supporting precisely the kind of goals Canada’s Innovation Agenda is rightly trying to achieve.

Our economic impact numbers show the results of Boeing’s strategy. In 2015, Boeing spent $2.056 billion directly in Canada. About 9,500 jobs were created by this work. That is a lot of money and a lot of jobs: about 14 per cent of the entire Canadian aerospace sector. But the benefits go further; the direct spending produces so-called “indirect and induced” effects as it reverberates around the economy. When these are taken into account, our model puts Boeing’s total direct, indirect and induced spending in Canada at $3.988 billion, and the number of jobs created at 17,500. The federal government itself gets over $540 million from income and sales taxes and other returns.

Our economic impact numbers show the results of its strategy
 
Overall, the aerospace sector in Canada is a powerful contributor to our economy, generating about $29 billion of annual output or $165,000 per worker of value. This is much higher than the Canadian average overall of about $90,000. But Boeing’s value-add per worker including its suppliers is still higher at about $217,000. The aerospace sector as a whole exports about 80 per cent of its output. It is undoubtedly a major asset for Canada in world markets. Boeing does even better; it exports about 95 per cent of its Canadian output. While the flourishing Canadian aerospace sector is growing at seven per cent a year, Boeing in Canada is growing at about eight per cent a year, in contrast to an overall growth rate in Canada of approximately 2.5 per cent annually.

The latest figures available to Doyletech show even stronger growth for Boeing’s Canadian operations last year, and its impact continues to increase.

In short, Canada needs more high-growth sectors, and we need more global partners like Boeing. The company has brought significant benefits for our economy and Canadian workers. It’s a compelling success story more Canadians should know about.

Rick Clayton, a partner in Doyletech Corp., a research, marketing and consulting firm, was formerly a federal public servant specializing in science policy for Canada.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #928 on: September 20, 2017, 12:03:45 »
News Flash, EITS: There is no such animal as a "non-voting" member of the UN's Security Council. I think you may be confusing with "non-veto" members. But only the "big five" have veto power.


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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #929 on: September 20, 2017, 12:36:03 »
Canada has far more to lose than gain with this pissing contest with Boeing.
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #930 on: September 20, 2017, 13:30:15 »
News Flash, EITS: There is no such animal as a "non-voting" member of the UN's Security Council. I think you may be confusing with "non-veto" members. But only the "big five" have veto power.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #932 on: September 21, 2017, 06:41:44 »
A bit more of the same ...
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Canada to push for new peacekeeping pledges, but yet to fulfil its own
Observer says Canada's peacekeeping attitude will rub other nations the wrong way without troop commitment
Murray Brewster, CBC News Posted: Sep 21, 2017 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Sep 21, 2017 5:00 AM ET


Canada intends to encourage countries at a November peacekeeping summit to follow its example and rise to a "new level" of ambition in the commitment of troops and equipment to the world's trouble spots, federal documents show.

The intention is contained in the Liberal government's "objectives and themes" for the gathering of defence ministers, scheduled to take place in Vancouver Nov. 14-15, released to CBC under access to information laws.

The document sketches out an ambitious conference plan that, on the surface, tackles many of the long-standing concerns of both the United Nations and the countries that contribute troops to missions.

However, the idea Canada would hold itself up as a model when it has yet to fulfil its own often-hyped pledge of 600 troops and 150 police officers was greeted with dismay by a leading expert on the subject and among those in the diplomatic community who've been lobbying for greater Canadian support.
Securing pledges

"Securing new pledges for UN peacekeeping operations has been a core theme at high-level UN peacekeeping conferences," says the confidential, Canadian Eyes Only strategy, prepared for Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan last winter.

"The 2017 ministerial would be an opportunity to take stock of the implementation and impact of existing pledges, including how many have registered and moved up through the UN Peacekeeping Capability Readiness System (PCRS) which ensures that pledges progress and become deployable."

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one of the country's foremost experts on peacekeeping, said Canada's do as I say, not as I do approach will rub some nations the wrong way.

"The hypocrisy to all this is that we haven't implemented our London pledge, and yet we're pushing for pledges and a review of the implementation of pledges," said Walter Dorn, a professor of defence studies at the Royal Military College of Canada.

"We're not leading by example."

Documents obtained and published by CBC News last summer show the UN routinely presents Canada with a long list of peacekeeping duty requests, including dangerous, frontline missions in Mali and the volatile Central African Republic.

Separately, France and the European Union have asked for Canada's help in the same region.

The requests have been turned down, or remain "under consideration." ...
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #933 on: September 21, 2017, 08:44:40 »
Seems like par for the course for this government. They want countries to rise to "a new level of ambition in commitment ..." They didn't mention any new level of actual commitment. Isn't it the modus operandi of  young Trudeau? Make fluffy all encompassing announcements then do nothing to implement them!

There's a well known American motivational speaker who asks his audience about their ambitions, then someone invariably says "I want to be richer". He calls the person up to him and gives him/her a single dollar, then tell them "There, you have achieved your ambition - You are richer".

The point is, (1) goals must be specific, and (2) its not having goals that matter, it's action to achieve them. (on this, he is contrarian of all those fluffy, unicorn dreamer Motivators that keep telling people "imagine where you want to be and that's where you will be", which is a crock - you got to do something to achieve results of any kind.)

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #934 on: September 21, 2017, 10:35:40 »
Well said.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #935 on: September 21, 2017, 12:16:28 »
Careful or you will be informed you are trolling - Trudeau bashing.
???  Why would posting any Trudeau comment (pro-, anti-, neutral) in a relevant, Canadian-themed thread be considered trolling?

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #936 on: September 21, 2017, 12:35:40 »
Guess Canada is not part of the International Community.  ???
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #937 on: October 30, 2017, 09:50:08 »
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Canadian peacekeeping proposals out of line with UN priorities: sources

Ottawa expected to unveil details of contribution at upcoming peacekeeping summit in Vancouver

CBC News  Posted: Oct 30, 2017 5:00 AM ET| Last Updated: Oct 30, 2017 5:27 AM ET

Canada has been discussing peacekeeping contribution ideas with the United Nations for months, but sources tell CBC News many of the proposals Ottawa has presented aren't considered by the UN to be operational priorities — or even necessary.

The latest talks are being held just weeks before Canada hosts an international peacekeeping summit and more than a year after Ottawa first pledged up to 600 Canadian Armed Forces personnel and 150 police officers toward global peace operations.

But with the conference looming, even the UN isn't clear on how the country will contribute.

'It would be very awkward for anyone to host a ministerial meeting on peacekeeping without having made a real contribution to peacekeeping,'' said one UN official, who spoke to CBC News on condition of anonymity.

It's expected that most of those details will be unveiled either right before or at the two-day UN peacekeeping summit in Vancouver which begins on Nov. 14. More than 80 countries, including some 50 defence ministers, have so far confirmed their presence at the conference where Canada will also launch an initiative aimed at preventing the recruitment and use of child soldiers.

Gender parity will be a focus of the international gathering, as will ''capability gaps that need to be filled, such as rapid deployment, helicopters and francophone units'' a UN report says. South Sudan, Mali and Haiti are listed as missions currently dealing with critical gaps.

How will Canada contribute?

Several peacekeeping scenarios have been put forward by Ottawa, according to UN officials familiar with the talks.

One involves the offer of a C-130 Hercules to the UN's logistics hub in Entebbe, Uganda. The military aircraft could be used to help transport personnel and equipment to and from missions in South Sudan, Democratic Republic of Congo and possibly Somalia. Ottawa is also looking at capacity-building and training for peacekeepers, such as countering the threat from improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

The UN seems less enthusiastic about some of the other options Ottawa is mulling, including helicopters for the mission in Haiti which other countries, including Bangladesh, have already offered, said another UN source.

The same UN source says a Canadian proposal for a rapid response force for the UN mission in Golan Heights isn't a priority right now, but were Canada to offer a rapidly-deployable infantry force that could help in the Central African Republic ''we would be happy with that."

Major need in Mali

Another country the UN considers a priority is Mali — but the peacekeeping operation there has the highest-number of fatalities of any current peacekeeping mission, a growing terrorist threat and a peace accord that the country is struggling to implement, which makes it an unattractive option for  decision-makers in Ottawa.

Mahamat Saleh Annadif, head of the UN stabilization mission in Mali (MINUSMA), has said he would welcome Canadian peacekeepers "with open arms."

Canada's contribution could involve multi-year commitments and in the case of Mali might only begin in 2019 after Germany and Jordan end their mandates in the West African country.

One of the UN sources says Canada has been asked to consider deploying personnel and equipment to Timbuktu.

''We'll see. I don't know if that message will be heard or not," the UN source said.

The UN and allies have been urging Canada to consider Mali, a country Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan visited in 2016.

''There were even rumours the next force commander might be a Canadian,'' said a third UN official, who was in Mali when Sajjan was there. The defence minister took part in several security briefings which the official said may have contributed to a reluctance to deploy.

If Ottawa does commit to the Mali operation, Canada's contribution could include the deployment of six Griffon and Chinook helicopters.

The peacekeeping summit in Vancouver is part of a push launched by the Obama administration in 2015 to get countries with more advanced soldiers and equipment into the field. It's paid off, but has also presented challenges as some countries have been reluctant to engage in high-risk operations.

''None of them want to risk losing a soldier,'' the official said, without suggesting this was the case with Canada.

Focus on child soldiers

Ahead of the Vancouver meeting, Canada has written to UN member states requesting they sign on to a set of 17 principles aimed at preventing the recruitment and use of child soldiers. The initiative, called the Vancouver Principles, was developed in co-ordination with the Roméo Dallaire Child Soldiers Initiative and ''the child protection community,'' according to the Canadian letter.

''Children associated with armed forces or armed groups are often exposed to horrific violence — often forced both to witness and commit violence, while themselves being abused, exploited, injured, or even killed as a result,'' says an explainer accompanying the note, and a draft of the non-binding resolution.

It goes on to say that the principles could be put to work in several ways, including training for peacekeepers on how to interact with a child soldier, liaising with schools and orphanages to help prevent abductions, and adjusting patrol routes to include areas where at-risk children are known to live and play.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-un-peacekeeping-summit-contributions-1.4375711
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #938 on: October 30, 2017, 11:07:41 »
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'It would be very awkward for anyone to host a ministerial meeting on peacekeeping without having made a real contribution to peacekeeping,'' said one UN official, who spoke to CBC News on condition of anonymity.

Nice to see some people in the world of today aren't afraid to point out the thing Justin and the rest of the Apple Dumpling Gang have done best to date is  :blah:.
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #940 on: October 30, 2017, 12:32:15 »
What Justin Trudeau gov't is interested in--tweet by Canadian UN mission:
https://twitter.com/CanadaUN/status/924024242118774784

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''We know that by failing to mainstream gender perspectives in peace operations is weak; we will fail to effectively respond to the needs and interests of local women and girls.'' -@CdnAmbUN #PeaceConf17

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #941 on: October 30, 2017, 12:56:47 »
What Justin Trudeau gov't is interested in--tweet by Canadian UN mission:
https://twitter.com/CanadaUN/status/924024242118774784

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Seems like the #1 pressing concern when it comes to Peacekeeping
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #942 on: October 30, 2017, 13:17:47 »
Priority # 2 for Canada; incorporating unicorn farms and pixie dust sprinklers into peace support ops. 

F&&k me senseless.   ::)
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #943 on: October 30, 2017, 13:23:53 »
I guess the keeping people from shooting/blowing up/raping/pillaging each other is an after thought?  I think I'll tweet that...or something a little more polite like "Why don't you ask people that have actually worn blue berets what's important if we want to keep up this white lie facade that peacekeeping really is?"

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #944 on: October 30, 2017, 13:41:17 »
What Justin Trudeau gov't is interested in--tweet by Canadian UN mission:
https://twitter.com/CanadaUN/status/924024242118774784

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I'm sure that during the actual conference, everyone present will nod respectfully and engage in earnest conversations with the Canadian Delegation in how to carry out this initiative.

After the conference? They will be shaking their heads at the utter fantasyland that is Canadian Policy these days.


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« Reply #945 on: October 30, 2017, 13:49:44 »
They will be shaking their heads at the utter fantasyland that is Canadian Policy these days.

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #946 on: October 30, 2017, 13:50:31 »
What Justin Trudeau gov't is interested in--tweet by Canadian UN mission:
https://twitter.com/CanadaUN/status/924024242118774784

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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #947 on: October 30, 2017, 13:52:59 »
Having done peacekeeping in Croatia, I don't see how the gender of the soldiers guarding the protected area in 1992 would make any difference.
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #948 on: October 30, 2017, 14:09:04 »
Having done peacekeeping in Croatia, I don't see how the gender of the soldiers guarding the protected area in 1992 would make any difference.

Agreed. I don’t think the gender of our troops in Medal would have made any difference at all.
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Re: The Canadian Peacekeeping Myth (Merged Topics)
« Reply #949 on: October 30, 2017, 16:37:10 »
Imagine the opportunity though. Recruiting at the university for a paid gig with a "peace initiative campaign" and then without telling them, fly all the SJW types into Mali or Sudan so they can show the military types how it's done.