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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2225 on: August 14, 2019, 18:21:17 »
who made the Resolve RAS systems?

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2226 on: August 14, 2019, 19:45:55 »
who made the Resolve RAS systems?

Same company.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2227 on: August 14, 2019, 21:32:21 »
Same as the old AORs as well.  Hepburn did the overhauls up until the end of service, so should be pretty comfortable to operate for anyone with tanker time.  Was glad to see this one went their way.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2228 on: August 23, 2019, 10:30:55 »
Looks like the Germans are building a new set of AOR's for their fleet.

Our Berlin Class plans are now looking a little long in the tooth.... Also, a civilian crew, where have we heard this before?  Wiki states that the Berlin class has a crew of 139?

"The German Navy has identified plans for the acquisition of its next-generation Type 707 Fleet Oilers – the two vessels will have a length of 170 metres, with an increased capacity, being able to carry 15,000 cubic metres of fuel. An option for the embarkation of up to 20 containers is also included. The new fleet tankers will also have a civilian crew. However, the size of the crew will decrease from 42 to around 20 people. The two double-hull tanker vessels type 707 are planned to stay in service with the German Navy fleet beyond the 2050s"

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2229 on: August 23, 2019, 10:40:25 »
The type 707 are not AOR's, they are AO's. In other words, purely tankers. And they do not replace the Berlin class but the old type 704 tankers.

Here's a reference: https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/july/7323-german-navy-has-approved-the-acquisition-of-two-new-ship-tankers-type-707.html

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2230 on: August 24, 2019, 07:28:28 »
Any construction photos of the new AORs come out yet?
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2231 on: August 24, 2019, 16:20:32 »
I don't think there is much yet.  Pieces of steels and assemblies.  I don't even think the final contract has been inked with Seaspan yet. (Could very much be wrong). I

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2232 on: August 24, 2019, 18:01:18 »
Any construction photos of the new AORs come out yet?

The Seaspan website has a series of progress photos from last year upto March this year.
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2233 on: August 24, 2019, 22:23:34 »
Pieces of steal.  :D

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2235 on: August 29, 2019, 13:16:39 »
She sure did.  If there were awards on number of nations supplied and amount of fuel supplied that ship would hold quite a few of them.  Soft power indeed.  BZ Asterix and all of her various crews!

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2237 on: August 29, 2019, 13:34:17 »
Wasn't Asterix back to Esquimalt once or twice in that "500" day deployment with multiple crew changes.

There were swap outs in a few places for both military and civilian crews. 

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2238 on: August 29, 2019, 13:41:56 »
There were swap outs in a few places for both military and civilian crews.

Yes and they were in Equimalt at least once or twice during the time away. I was wondering where this 500 day deployment number comes from. The way it sounds they were away for 500 days which they weren't, perhaps away from Halifax?
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2239 on: August 29, 2019, 13:45:59 »
It's 500 days more at sea than anything that ISI has produced under NSPS...

And, for clarity, 500 days ago is Monday April 16th, 2018, so I suspect that they're counting the deployment time as their time away from their home port of Halifax.  That's not 500 days at sea, that's 500 days away from home port.  Seeing as the MV Asterix departed on 11 April 2018, it was 502 days.

In the same way that when I went to Libya in 2011, it was a 6 month deployment- we left on 02 Mar, and got back on 02 Sep.  That was 6 months.  During that time, we were alongside for about 10-12 port visits - roughly one every two weeks or so, with a longer RAMP in the middle.

Did we deduct those days from our deployment?  Not likely. 

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2240 on: August 29, 2019, 14:14:39 »
It's 500 days more at sea than anything that ISI has produced under NSPS...

And, for clarity, 500 days ago is Monday April 16th, 2018, so I suspect that they're counting the deployment time as their time away from their home port of Halifax.  That's not 500 days at sea, that's 500 days away from home port.  Seeing as the MV Asterix departed on 11 April 2018, it was 502 days.

In the same way that when I went to Libya in 2011, it was a 6 month deployment- we left on 02 Mar, and got back on 02 Sep.  That was 6 months.  During that time, we were alongside for about 10-12 port visits - roughly one every two weeks or so, with a longer RAMP in the middle.

Did we deduct those days from our deployment?  Not likely.

I just thought it was a bit misleading. Good work by all though.
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2241 on: August 29, 2019, 18:26:16 »
She was gone a long time;  we saw her during PROJECTION almost a year ago, and I've been back from that deployment long enough for the Christmas to happen, the year to change, and file my amended T4 for taxes late this summer.  Remembering back to the last time I saw her in person...yup...that's a long time.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2242 on: August 31, 2019, 10:23:19 »
Off topic: yesterday, Stalwart, second AOR for the RAN, was launched at El Ferrol shipyards (Spain).

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2243 on: September 06, 2019, 17:52:18 »
Ship to shore connectors bid awarded.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2244 on: September 06, 2019, 18:10:59 »
MND says they are for JSS, but would these not also be useful to AOPs?
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2245 on: September 06, 2019, 19:34:22 »
MND says they are for JSS, but would these not also be useful to AOPs?

These are going to be much larger than the ones for AOPS.  They should be able to carry ISO's and vehicles.  AOPS is mainly personnel and snowmobiles.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2246 on: September 06, 2019, 20:38:54 »
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The modular and configurable ship-to-shore connectors will adapt to almost any mission. They could be used as a temporary jetty anchored to the shoreline, as a large barge to assist in ship maintenance and repair, or to perform evacuation operations.

This sounds more like a Mexeflote than an LCU/LCM.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2247 on: September 06, 2019, 20:54:55 »
I believe this is the relevant Notice of Proposed Procurement.  Closed this May

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/procurement-data/tender-notice/PW-JSS-009-27123
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