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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2075 on: July 19, 2018, 17:39:44 »
All the ATL ships were registered in Edmonton :)

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2076 on: July 19, 2018, 17:59:19 »
All the ATL ships were registered in Edmonton :)

As were all the West Edmonton Mall submarines.  ;D

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2077 on: July 19, 2018, 19:12:39 »
Port of registry Quebec City near where is was converted. The French express Quebec City as "Quebec"

Nothing to do with French, Chief. Even for us French Canadians, if there is a possibility of confusion between the city and the province, we will specify which one we are talking about by stating "le" or "au" before Quebec in the case of the province or "la ville de" before it for the city. When it is clear which one we are talking about, we don't bother specifying.

ALL port registry indicated on merchant ships refer to the "port", or city, of registration. So you never specify "city" even when there could be some confusion.

For instance, a ship registered in New York City will only say "New York", since for ship registry there is no possible confusion with New York State.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2078 on: July 19, 2018, 20:58:37 »
Nothing to do with French, Chief. Even for us French Canadians, if there is a possibility of confusion between the city and the province, we will specify which one we are talking about by stating "le" or "au" before Quebec in the case of the province or "la ville de" before it for the city. When it is clear which one we are talking about, we don't bother specifying.

ALL port registry indicated on merchant ships refer to the "port", or city, of registration. So you never specify "city" even when there could be some confusion.

For instance, a ship registered in New York City will only say "New York", since for ship registry there is no possible confusion with New York State.

To the outsider its looks odd.
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2079 on: July 19, 2018, 21:54:00 »
Thanks Mark..... :salute:
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2080 on: July 21, 2018, 09:03:21 »
To the outsider its looks odd.

???

It doesn’t to this (retired air force) civilian.  I’ve seen enough ‘Panama’ that I don’t worry what happened to the “..... City” :dunno:

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2081 on: July 21, 2018, 09:14:08 »
???

It doesn’t to this (retired air force) civilian.  I’ve seen enough ‘Panama’ that I don’t worry what happened to the “..... City” :dunno:

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When the first pictures of Asterix came out on social media many people asked that question, some on RCN themed pages perhaps some because they saw it as some sort of slight against english Canada. Some thought it was a government owned ship and thought it should of said Ottawa. The question was asked and answered.
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2082 on: September 12, 2018, 12:28:40 »
Vancouver Seaspan Shipyards now has a progress page on the JSS http://www.seaspan.com/nss-progress-galleries/nss-photo-gallery-jss-1

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2084 on: November 24, 2018, 05:04:54 »
Two and a half years from contract signatue to launch of first Aussie AOR. Pretty good schedule.

https://mobile.navaltoday.com/2018/11/23/first-australian-supply-class-aor-launched-in-spain/

On the other hand Turkish LHD Anadolu keeps on track. At the end of the day Navantia seems to be a reliable partner.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2085 on: November 26, 2018, 11:48:03 »
Not a nice looking ship, the older AOR design and the bridge is small compared to the hanger


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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2086 on: November 26, 2018, 19:07:23 »
612 million (CDN) for two supply vessels. 

Once again the Aussies put our procurement system to shame. 


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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2087 on: November 26, 2018, 20:17:34 »
612 million (CDN) for two supply vessels. 

Once again the Aussies put our procurement system to shame.

That's not comparing apples to apples, as that is just for the ship.  They have another contract for another $250M for the first five years of sustainment. There are additional project costs for parts etc.

Still a good deal, but that's the benefit of buying something off the shelf (and current) and building it at the existing yard. Using an older design that needed updating, plus requiring 100% Canadian offset drove a bunch of costs and delays. Doing that on top of restarting a yard with a bunch of concurrent projects makes the whole thing pretty understandable. 

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2088 on: November 26, 2018, 23:55:18 »
Maybe I'd be happier if somebody in Canada could just tell me the price of an apple.....like the rest of the world can.
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2089 on: November 27, 2018, 09:07:51 »
Maybe I'd be happier if somebody in Canada could just tell me the price of an apple.....like the rest of the world can.

Is the apple a Canadian apple or a non-Canadian apple?

If the apple is Canadian, where was it grown? 

If grown in Ontario, the price of the apple will be the cheapest. 
If grown in Quebec then it will be double the cost of the apple grown in Ontario because of the need to label the apple in English and French. 
If the apple is grown in BC then the apple will be 50% more expensive than the apple grown in Quebec because of the requirement to use only organic growing methods. 
If the apple is grown in the Maritimes then it will be 75% more expensive than the BC apple because of the small-growers incentive plan, the heritage incentive plan to maintain a regionally culturally significant way of life and the national equality fairness act.
If the apple is gown in the Federally funded and maintained High Arctic Greenhouse Experiment Programme, then said apple will not be sold to the Canadian public but will be given to specifically selected countries worthy to receive said apple as part of the CIDA programme delivery model. This apple will be counted as both a government expense and a revenue effectively cancelling each out.  The Auditor General will protest vigorously but no one will listen nor care.

The apple grown in the US will cost you .63 cents CAD by pound (or 1.38 by the kg), in the EU it will cost you 1.21 CAD by the kg, in South Korea the apple will cost .97 cents CAD by the kg and they will individually hand wrap each apple you buy.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2090 on: November 29, 2018, 12:48:02 »
JSS as of Oct


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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2091 on: December 19, 2018, 08:18:33 »
Whatever your thoughts about iAOR and JSS, this shot across the bows by Chantier/Davie is damn funny!

https://www.facebook.com/CoultishManagement/videos/1172581732876205/

 

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2092 on: December 19, 2018, 13:45:12 »
OMG that is too funny!

Kudos to these guys for dumming it down to a level that most (not all) Canadians can understand. Yup, I'll take the flak for this statement.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2093 on: December 19, 2018, 14:25:57 »
Not to mention this...



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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2095 on: December 19, 2018, 19:02:49 »
One of the comments on Davie's video that made sense was that Asterix is purely an oiler, whereas JSS or whatever it's going to be called will carry ammunition, etc. 

So in reality, Canada needs both, unless we're planning on relying on partners for bullets and not just gas (and whatever Asterix can send).
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2096 on: December 19, 2018, 19:34:30 »
One of the comments on Davie's video that made sense was that Asterix is purely an oiler, whereas JSS or whatever it's going to be called will carry ammunition, etc. 

So in reality, Canada needs both, unless we're planning on relying on partners for bullets and not just gas (and whatever Asterix can send).

The Protecteur Class are supposed to carry 1,100 tonnes of ammunition.
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2097 on: December 19, 2018, 19:40:47 »
One of the comments on Davie's video that made sense was that Asterix is purely an oiler, whereas JSS or whatever it's going to be called will carry ammunition, etc. 

So in reality, Canada needs both, unless we're planning on relying on partners for bullets and not just gas (and whatever Asterix can send).

Asterix has a magazine in the forward end of the ship for replenishing the frigates.

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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2098 on: December 19, 2018, 19:46:30 »
Asterix has a magazine in the forward end of the ship for replenishing the frigates.

Asterix has 20 ft ISO containers converted for magazine use.
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Re: AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)
« Reply #2099 on: December 19, 2018, 20:22:34 »
I would take that article on the Asterix with a little grain of salt.

The writer says she was built from a tanker, which is not the case as she was converted from a container ship. Also, they call the cyclone a single-engine helicopter. While the Cyclone are single-rotor helicopters (as opposed to twin-rotor like the Chinook), they are definitely twin-engined, not single.