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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #125 on: April 18, 2020, 23:53:43 »
I reread the article and found I was wrong about 50 USN personnel being on board CDG. Is that why I was warned ? Again my apologies.

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #127 on: April 24, 2020, 11:58:50 »
Instead of creating a new thread, I'd put this here and suggest this thread should be retitled "COVID-19 in the US military".

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Exclusive: U.S. Navy destroyer in Caribbean sees significant coronavirus outbreak

A U.S. Navy destroyer is believed to have a significant coronavirus outbreak on board as it carries out a counter-narcotics mission in the Caribbean, U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, marking the latest challenge for the military in dealing with the virus.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-navy-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-navy-destroyer-in-caribbean-sees-significant-coronavirus-outbreak-officials-idUSKCN2262CP

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #129 on: April 24, 2020, 17:59:42 »
Navy Recommends reinstatement of Capt Crozier. A wrong would be righted here.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/navy-recommends-reinstating-captain-of-coronavirus-stricken-aircraft-carrier/ar-BB139TKQ?ocid=spartanntp

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Navy's top officials recommended Friday that the captain relieved of duty after sounding the alarms of a growing coronavirus outbreak aboard an aircraft carrier should be reinstated.

The decision to reinstate Navy Capt. Brett Crozier's command of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt sits with Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. The Pentagon boss, who was briefed on the recommendations following a U.S. Navy investigation, has yet to sign off on the reinstatement of the captain. He is expected to make a decision Friday.

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #130 on: April 24, 2020, 22:59:41 »
Has a reinstatement of a relieved Capt ever happened before? Especially to the same ship?
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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #131 on: April 24, 2020, 23:29:03 »
Not to my knowledge has a relieved CO been reinstated. I think the relationship with the TF commander was strained so he may be reassigned.

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #132 on: April 25, 2020, 09:09:03 »
Has a reinstatement of a relieved Capt ever happened before? Especially to the same ship?

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #133 on: April 25, 2020, 13:23:24 »
USS Enterprise.  On most versions of the series.  ;D

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #134 on: April 25, 2020, 13:52:06 »
During Vietnam a BG who commanded a separate brigade was fired and later on he was given a second star. I guess he knew the right people because most often being relieved is terminal to one's career.

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #136 on: April 30, 2020, 00:28:06 »
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Navy delays Crozier decision, launches broader investigation into carrier COVID-19 outbreak

The acting Navy secretary said Wednesday he has ordered a broader investigation into the circumstances of the spread of the novel coronavirus aboard the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, effectively delaying a decision on the Navy's recommendation that Capt. Brett Crozier be reinstated as the ship's commander.

The announcement of a broader investigation comes days after the Navy’s top leadership had recommended the unprecedented step of reinstating Crozier to command of his ship, and Defense Secretary Mark Esper requested the written results of the Navy’s initial inquiry.

“After carefully reviewing the preliminary inquiry into the events surrounding the COVID-19 outbreak aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71), the Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Mike Gilday, provided me with his recommendations," said James McPherson, the acting Secretary of the Navy in a statement.
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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #137 on: May 01, 2020, 12:46:21 »
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Exclusive: Too risky to come home, crew of 'clean' U.S. warship in coronavirus limbo

On any given day, the U.S. aircraft carrier Harry S. Truman can be found off the Atlantic coast of the United States, probably somewhere between Virginia and Florida. Its crew would love to come home to their families. But they can’t. They’re just too valuable right now.

That’s because the Truman is a “clean” ship, free from the coronavirus thanks to a longer-than-expected deployment at sea that started in November. The deployment has kept its battle-ready 4,500 crew out of reach of a pandemic that is wreaking havoc elsewhere in the Navy.

Captain Kavon “Hak” Hakimzadeh and members of his crew described to Reuters in exclusive interviews the mixed emotions of being so close to home, but too precious to pull into port, as the Truman settles into a pandemic-driven operational limbo.


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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #138 on: May 08, 2020, 01:16:25 »
Captain Crozier has a new assignment in California on the staff of Naval Air Forces. He will be working for a Vice Admiral. I hope this assignment works out. The guy should be promoted but this is the Navy so redemption is a foreign concept.

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #139 on: May 15, 2020, 18:50:28 »
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Sailors on sidelined carrier get virus for second time

Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy.

The resurgence of the virus in the five sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt underscores the befuddling behavior of the highly contagious virus and raises questions about how troops that test positive can be reintegrated into the military, particularly on ships.

All five sailors had previously tested positive and had gone through at least two weeks of isolation. As part of the process, they all had to test negative twice in a row, with the tests separated by at least a day or two before they were allowed to go back to the ship.

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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #140 on: June 22, 2020, 11:26:02 »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/19/navy-fires-brett-crozier-aircraft-carrier-coronavirus-329716

The US Navy has released its investigation into the TR incident that led to Capt Crozier's relief.  The CNS has decided to uphold the relief, stating that if he knew then what he knows now, he wouldn't have recommended returning him to command of the carrier.

https://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/readingroom/HotTopics/TR%20INVESTIGATION/TR%20CI%20Report%20with%20CNO%20Endorsement%20(Redacted%20for%20release).pdf

The investigation is worth reading, and I recommend it to anyone here in a leadership position.  As Paul Harvey's says, you get "the rest of the story."  Indecisive actions before landing at Guam and while in Guam, allowing relationships with senior staffs to deteriorate, not sufficiently mentoring subordinates, and going around the chain of command with the now famous letter all added up.  His boss is now also in the hotseat, with his promotion on hold pending a separate investigation.

Of the recommendations, I found this the most interesting.

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7.  Navy leadership use this case study to emphasize the Navy's recent lesson learned from the USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) collisions of 2017, in that Navy leaders are willing to listen when commanding officers have concerns about mission readiness or need additional assistance. CPF spoke with CCSG-9 and the TR CO on the phone immediately after the CO's email was sent. In this call, CPF laid out all the actions in progress, and at the end of the conversation, asked CCSG-9 and the TR CO what else they needed. With no additional requests made, CPF considered the matter closed. CPF did not make any notifications up to the CNO/VCNO level until some 30 hours later when it became apparent media had a copy of the letter, and that a story based on the letter, which contained inaccuracies, would soon follow. CNAP's immediate response was “thank you for the red flare… we'll escalate work... immediately.”

The lessons should also reinforce that although the TR CO's intentions were pure, his method of transmitting his concerns did not display good judgment. Further, the lesson should emphasize some fundamental points if in the position of needing to bypass your immediate superior(s) in command:

a. First, review your actions and check your facts. The Navy's culture prides itself on an open and candid exchange between seniors and subordinates. Look at yourself with a critical eye and make sure you are not missing some key information.

b. Ask yourself why you are there - have you done all you can to communicate your case in clear and unambiguous terms? Just as you would do for a subordinate, you owe that senior an opportunity to correct the situation.  Talking to the senior's staff is not a substitute for addressing them directly. A staff representative may not be capable of relaying your case with the detail, rigor or passion that only you can provide.

c. Finally, if you must bypass that senior, recognize this should be considered a last resort. Use a private means of conveying those concerns, such as a phone call or an in-person office call with the next superior, if possible. This allows face-saving opportunities on both sides. The boss's boss may have key information or context that makes you realize you had it wrong.
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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #141 on: June 29, 2020, 22:10:04 »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/19/navy-fires-brett-crozier-aircraft-carrier-coronavirus-329716

The US Navy has released its investigation into the TR incident that led to Capt Crozier's relief.  The CNS has decided to uphold the relief, stating that if he knew then what he knows now, he wouldn't have recommended returning him to command of the carrier.

https://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/readingroom/HotTopics/TR%20INVESTIGATION/TR%20CI%20Report%20with%20CNO%20Endorsement%20(Redacted%20for%20release).pdf

The investigation is worth reading, and I recommend it to anyone here in a leadership position.  As Paul Harvey's says, you get "the rest of the story."  Indecisive actions before landing at Guam and while in Guam, allowing relationships with senior staffs to deteriorate, not sufficiently mentoring subordinates, and going around the chain of command with the now famous letter all added up.  His boss is now also in the hotseat, with his promotion on hold pending a separate investigation.

Of the recommendations, I found this the most interesting.

Quite the interesting read and a great case study that can be applied across the board for how to deal with hard issues as a leader
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Re: Navy removes USS Theodore Roosevelt captain
« Reply #142 on: June 30, 2020, 00:19:13 »
I just read the report in full.


Honestly, in my own opinion - poor guy.  Seems like he was making sound decisions, which seemed logical and prudent at the time.  His concern was with the well being of his crew, enhancing social distancing, disembarking his crew in a RESPONSIBLE way - and not just unleashing 5000 sailors into Guam - and adapting to a rapidly deteriorating situation the best he could.  A situation which nobody had previously encountered.


Sounds like a lose / lose for him.  Could certain decisions have been made differently, in hindsight?  Ofcourse. 

Were his decisions irrational or irresponsible, especially from his perspective at the time?  I'd say not. 



Seems like a good man who ended up in a crap situation.  I understand that due to processes, there must be some form of official accountability.  Just a shame it comes across as finger pointing   :2c:
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