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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #725 on: September 15, 2020, 17:02:27 »
As for New York and New Jersey, while Cuomo was promoting the right approach, Trump was interfering by talking to his supporters in those states. And the people listened to Trump enough that America's record shows the impact for the entire country.
Maybe that should be under the conspiracy theory thread.
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« Reply #726 on: September 16, 2020, 17:20:55 »
There's audio proof as well as the "it's just gonna go away" and he just straight out goes with a lie:

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Trump denies downplaying virus, casts doubt on mask usage

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-denies-downplaying-virus-casts-doubt-mask-usage-73040169

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Trump claims he "up-played" the coronavirus after previously saying he wanted to downplay it

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-town-hall-coronavirus-played-up-bob-woodword/
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #727 on: September 16, 2020, 17:31:01 »
Ever since the “fine people” hoax, I don’t believe anything the msm says Trump stated without finding the entire video or audio with context to view for myself.  Same goes for anyone they quote in fact. 

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« Reply #728 on: September 16, 2020, 17:33:11 »
Ever since the %u201Cfine people%u201D hoax, I don%u2019t believe anything the msm says Trump stated without finding the entire video or audio with context to view for myself.  Same goes for anyone they quote in fact.

Here's one you can take to the bank QV.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-biden-us-mask-mandate_ca_5f61f88ec5b65fd7b8576863

Trump Blames Biden For Not Instituting U.S. Mask Mandate.
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« Reply #729 on: October 03, 2020, 10:25:23 »
He should be setting an example but did not and politicised, mostly going against measures as well as claiming it a "Democrats' new hoax":

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Cavalier White House approach to COVID catches up to Trump

Masks were rarely spotted in the West Wing. Crowds of people gathered shoulder to shoulder on the White House South Lawn. And Air Force One streaked across the sky from one massive campaign rally to another.

With ready access to testing and the best public health minds at his disposal, President Donald Trump should have been the American safest from COVID-19. Instead, he flouted his own government’s guidelines and helped create a false sense of invulnerability in the White House, an approach that has now failed him as it did a nation where more than 200,000 people have died.

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"He let the country down by disregarding the CDC, ignoring federal guidelines and acting like he was Superman," said presidential historian Douglas Brinkley. "He did not just downplay the virus, he paraded around like a peacock, making fun of those who took it seriously."

From the pandemic’s early days, Trump, by his own admission, played down the severity of the virus. He repeatedly suggested it would “disappear” and for a while was pushing for the American economy to fully reopen by Easter, just a month after the pandemic fully engulfed the nation.

And he soon began resisting the advice of public health experts on his own coronavirus task force, including Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx. He publicly clashed with the heads of the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention over everything from the risks associated with opening schools to the timetable for a potential COVID-19 vaccine.

Those on the White House staff dared not break with the president, who wanted to embody a nation on the way back, not one fixated with health guidelines that would remind a nervous public about the virus rather than an economic resurgence.

Experts urged the widespread use of masks, including CDC Director Robert Redfield, who testified before Congress last month that face coverings could be a more effective safeguard than a vaccine. Trump has eschewed their use, telling aides that he didn’t like how he looked in them and that it sent a message to the public that he was worried about his health.

He has worn masks only sporadically and politicized their use, saying he didn’t need them because he was tested and most people he saw were kept six feet away. He mocked Democrat Joe Biden for consistently wearing a face covering, while many of the president’s supporters followed his example and skipped them, even at crowded events.

And their use, while technically required, wasn’t enforced in the White House either. Most senior aides rarely wore masks, even in tight quarters in the West Wing or on Air Force One. A belief took hold that because those who came in contact with president received a rapid COVID-19 test every day, they were safe in their bubble.

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"He mocked the medical experts and their advice. He mocked it all right up until the presidential debate when he stood on that stage," said Michael Steele, former head of the Republican Party. "He had the best information possible and didn’t take it."

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Even in the hours after the president’s diagnosis, senior White House staff, including chief of staff Mark Meadows and economic adviser Larry Kudlow, walked around the White House complex without wearing masks. The White House, even now, says the face coverings are a matter of “personal choice” for most staffers.

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #730 on: October 03, 2020, 11:47:34 »
From the article:

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Trump styles his large campaign gatherings as “peaceful protests” exempt from limits on crowd size.

Protests against what?  The sitting government?   ::)
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #731 on: October 03, 2020, 12:10:26 »
From the article:

Protests against what?  The sitting government?   ::)

Joe Biden's campaign?

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #732 on: October 03, 2020, 15:21:41 »
From the article:

Protests against what?  The sitting government?   ::)

It doesn't matter. you can protest whether the mustard on a corned beef on rye goes on the top or bottom slice if you want. That's freedom, baby.
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #733 on: October 03, 2020, 15:27:31 »
It doesn't matter. you can protest whether the mustard on a corned beef on rye goes on the top or bottom slice if you want. That's freedom, baby.

The awesome thing is that in the U.S. today, if a Republican or Democrat said the top slice, it would become a hot-button partisan issue.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #734 on: October 03, 2020, 15:31:20 »
The awesome thing is that in the U.S. today, if a Republican or Democrat said the top slice, it would become a hot-button partisan issue.

Again; Freedom, baby...  8)
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #735 on: October 03, 2020, 17:30:11 »
Don't confuse Party stupidity (Any party - I have no preference on such matters) with freedom.

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« Reply #736 on: October 03, 2020, 17:40:28 »
Don't confuse Party stupidity (Any party - I have no preference on such matters) with freedom.

So people aren't free to be idiots? Is this new? Was there a vote?  I'm soo out of the loop.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #737 on: October 06, 2020, 16:53:19 »
The White House politicising the pandemic again trying to rush possible vaccines past safety standards:

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White House blocks new coronavirus vaccine guidelines that would delay approval

The White House has blocked new Food and Drug Administration guidelines on bringing potential vaccines for COVID-19 to market that would almost certainly have prevented their approval before the Nov. 3 election.

At issue was the FDA’s planned requirement that participants in the ongoing mass clinical trials for nearly a half-dozen vaccine candidates be followed for two months to ensure there are no side effects and that the vaccines provide lasting protection from the virus in order to receive emergency approval.

A senior administration official confirmed the move Monday evening, saying the White House believed there was “no clinical or medical reason” to add additional screening protocols.

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https://globalnews.ca/news/7380418/coronavirus-vaccine-white-house-fda/

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #738 on: October 06, 2020, 20:53:36 »
What was wrong with the prior existing standards?  Is it politicizing things to add standards to potentially delay vaccine deployment until after the election?
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« Reply #739 on: October 06, 2020, 21:49:00 »
What was wrong with the prior existing standards?  Is it politicizing things to add standards to potentially delay vaccine deployment until after the election?

First, they are already moving way faster than they would have.  So they are not exactly following their own pre existing standards.

This section of the second article seems to explain the reasoning.

Former FDA acting commissioner Dr. Stephen Ostroff said the requirements seem reasonable given the agency is in largely “uncharted territory” in terms of considering emergency use of a vaccine. The agency has only previously cleared one vaccine through the method — a decades-old shot that was authorized to prevent anthrax poisoning in 2005.

“There really is no margin for error here,” Ostroff said. “Even when you’re talking about limited use of a vaccine there has to be some level of assurance that there isn’t a risk here that would far outweigh the benefit.”

Dr. Peter Marks, the head of FDA’s vaccine division, said Tuesday that the two-month follow-up requirement was chosen to be “something reasonably aggressive, but not too conservative — right in the middle.” He spoke at a symposium organized by Johns Hopkins University.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #740 on: October 17, 2020, 11:36:21 »
The White House is silently "taking over" and tries to control the CDC. You'd be very skeptical of any info coming from the CDC until the Trump administration is gone:

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White House puts ‘politicals’ at CDC to try to control info

The Trump White House has installed two political operatives at the nation’s top public health agency to try to control the information it releases about the coronavirus pandemic as the administration seeks to paint a positive outlook, sometimes at odds with the scientific evidence.

The two appointees assigned to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Atlanta headquarters in June have no public health background. They have instead been tasked with keeping an eye on Dr. Robert Redfield, the agency director, as well as scientists, according to a half-dozen CDC and administration officials who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal government affairs.

The appointments were part of a push to get more “politicals” into the CDC to help control messaging after a handful of leaks were “upsetting the apple cart,” said an administration official.

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #741 on: October 17, 2020, 12:36:23 »
Take heart.  If people at the CDC can't be muzzled about the appointment of people they think were sent to muzzle them, I doubt the people will be shy about ensuring correct information gets out.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #742 on: October 17, 2020, 12:39:00 »
Take heart.  If people at the CDC can't be muzzled about the appointment of people they think were sent to muzzle them, I doubt the people will be shy about ensuring correct information gets out.

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #743 on: October 17, 2020, 12:45:17 »
Take heart.  If people at the CDC can't be muzzled about the appointment of people they think were sent to muzzle them, I doubt the people will be shy about ensuring correct information gets out.

Stop killing peoples conspiracy theories,....its all some folks have.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #744 on: October 17, 2020, 12:53:16 »
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #745 on: October 17, 2020, 13:19:08 »
Wikipedia??  Must be true then because not just anybody can edit th,...what, pardon??...oh, didn't know that, ….ummm never mind.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #746 on: October 17, 2020, 15:29:02 »
Right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump

Some of those conspiracies Trump believes in don't seem that crazy to me.

Like the Epstein being murdered one
-Epstein's cellmate was transferred, and no replacement was brought in.
-two guards failed to perform the required institutional count at 10:00 p.m.
-Through the night, in violation of the jail's normal procedure, Epstein was not checked every 30 minutes.
-The two guards who were assigned to check his cell overnight, Noel and Michael Thomas, fell asleep at their desk for about three hours
-Noel and Michael Thomas later falsified related records.
-Two cameras in front of Epstein's cell also malfunctioned that night.
-Another camera had footage that was "unusable".



China's influence over the WHO is another one.

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #747 on: October 17, 2020, 15:54:26 »
I still want the Epstein picture Christmas decoration for my tree...….."This ornament didn't hang itself"
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« Reply #748 on: October 17, 2020, 16:24:45 »
Some of those conspiracies Trump believes in don't seem that crazy to me.

Like the Epstein being murdered one
-Epstein's cellmate was transferred, and no replacement was brought in.
-two guards failed to perform the required institutional count at 10:00 p.m.
-Through the night, in violation of the jail's normal procedure, Epstein was not checked every 30 minutes.
-The two guards who were assigned to check his cell overnight, Noel and Michael Thomas, fell asleep at their desk for about three hours
-Noel and Michael Thomas later falsified related records.
-Two cameras in front of Epstein's cell also malfunctioned that night.
-Another camera had footage that was "unusable".



China's influence over the WHO is another one.

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« Reply #749 on: October 18, 2020, 18:27:42 »
It was bound to happen with the conservatives when we learned about the treatment used to help Trump fight the Covid infection:

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Conservatives confront moral dilemma of vaccines and treatments derived from fetal tissue cells

The race to develop vaccines and treatments for COVID-19 has newly highlighted a longstanding dilemma for religious conservatives: much of the cutting-edge research relies on the use of material derived from human fetal tissue -- something they have spent years fighting against.

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At issue is the use of cells derived from human fetal tissue to discover, develop and test medical innovation -- something scientists agree is often necessary in the most groundbreaking medical advances.

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