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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2019, 02:18:21 »
Hmm...what's CADPAT and the zippers made of?   :whistle:

Which item?

The combat uniform itself isn't fire retardant... but its probably less "melty" and flammable than the issued underwear, long johns, fleece, goretex, polyester blend t-shirts and every other item issued...

Not really anything you'd ever want to be exposed to a fire while wearing...

Maybe that's why there was so much upset over wearing fleece toques rather the issued wool?

Side note for anyone who didn't know, "fire retardant" doesn't mean "fire proof" or even "fire resistant", usually it just means the material is self-extinguishing, and it usually means it doesn't melt or drip.

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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #102 on: May 27, 2020, 13:22:47 »
I didnt like the new pattern at first, but after seeing it actually used  i like it a lot more. Now can they just replace the tac vest please.
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #103 on: May 27, 2020, 13:31:23 »
I didnt like the new pattern at first, but after seeing it actually used  i like it a lot more. Now can they just replace the tac vest please.

Part of SOCEM is replacing the Tac-Vest, Fragmentation vest, Small pack, and rucksack. The are telling bidders it is to be a system so hopefully the components will work together better than the current system.
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #104 on: May 27, 2020, 13:43:56 »
Part of SOCEM is replacing the Tac-Vest, Fragmentation vest, Small pack, and rucksack. The are telling bidders it is to be a system so hopefully the components will work together better than the current system.

Plate carrier?
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #105 on: May 27, 2020, 13:52:28 »
Plate carrier?

Not bad, for a Blue Job :)
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #106 on: May 27, 2020, 14:15:45 »
Part of SOCEM is replacing the Tac-Vest, Fragmentation vest, Small pack, and rucksack. The are telling bidders it is to be a system so hopefully the components will work together better than the current system.

Each soldier needs to be able to modify their kit according to their body type, their role (Number 1 rifleman or Number 2 C9 as examples) and the mission.
Let's hope some big brains have the forethought to get rid of the "this must be carried by all in this location" thinking.

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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #107 on: May 27, 2020, 14:18:26 »
Plate carrier?

In my day these were the only plates we carried and we didn't have special pouches for them.   [:D
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #108 on: May 27, 2020, 14:22:33 »
In my day these were the only plates we carried and we didn't have special pouches for them.   [:D

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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #109 on: May 27, 2020, 14:26:02 »
In my day these were the only plates we carried and we didn't have special pouches for them.   [:D

Actually in 1997 in Bosnia, Velika Kladusa,in the support contingent the mat techs made plate bags for exactly that type of plate.

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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #110 on: May 27, 2020, 15:06:37 »
In my day these were the only plates we carried and we didn't have special pouches for them.   [:D

I ditched my Melmac in my rucksack and carried a Frisbee in my butt pack.  Better at holding gravy and watery veggies, wouldn't snap in half if I fell on it and I was a sports day waiting for a place to happen.
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #111 on: May 27, 2020, 15:11:51 »
Part of SOCEM is replacing the Tac-Vest, Fragmentation vest, Small pack, and rucksack. The are telling bidders it is to be a system so hopefully the components will work together better than the current system.

As long as the infantry get some sway on it, I am sure it will, none of our infantry battalions use the issued vest to my understanding. Buddy of mine got posted to 2 VP (a vtech) and was promptly told no to his issued vest, brought out back to a seacan filled with approved rigs and told to pick one he likes.
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #112 on: May 27, 2020, 15:53:26 »
I ditched my Melmac in my rucksack and carried a Frisbee in my butt pack.  Better at holding gravy and watery veggies, wouldn't snap in half if I fell on it and I was a sports day waiting for a place to happen.

Plus if you're ever captured you can commit seppeku with the Frisbee

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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #113 on: May 27, 2020, 16:20:38 »
I ditched my Melmac in my rucksack and carried a Frisbee in my butt pack.  Better at holding gravy and watery veggies, wouldn't snap in half if I fell on it and I was a sports day waiting for a place to happen.

I saw one of my guys do the same thing and thought 'The Canadian Army is going to be alright.' :)
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #114 on: May 27, 2020, 16:41:05 »
Each soldier needs to be able to modify their kit according to their body type, their role (Number 1 rifleman or Number 2 C9 as examples) and the mission.
Let's hope some big brains have the forethought to get rid of the "this must be carried by all in this location" thinking.

This quote appears in the 2002 edition of FM 3-97.61 Military Mountaineering and the 2012 TC 3-97.61 Military Mountaineering:

"Leaders must understand that each individual has a different metabolism and, therefore, cools down and heats up differently, which requires Soldiers to dress-up and dress-down at different intervals. Provided all tactical concerns are met, the concept of uniformity is outdated and only reduces the unit’s ability to fight and function at an optimum level."

Wonder who allowed for that nugget of wisdom to be put into a publication.
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #115 on: May 27, 2020, 16:47:16 »
This quote appears in the 2002 edition of FM 3-97.61 Military Mountaineering and the 2012 TC 3-97.61 Military Mountaineering:

"Leaders must understand that each individual has a different metabolism and, therefore, cools down and heats up differently, which requires Soldiers to dress-up and dress-down at different intervals. Provided all tactical concerns are met, the concept of uniformity is outdated and only reduces the unit’s ability to fight and function at an optimum level."

Wonder who allowed for that nugget of wisdom to be put into a publication.

Someone who has never almost killed one of his own in a Blue on Blue?

Just sayin' ;)
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #116 on: May 27, 2020, 17:27:54 »
This quote appears in the 2002 edition of FM 3-97.61 Military Mountaineering and the 2012 TC 3-97.61 Military Mountaineering:

"Leaders must understand that each individual has a different metabolism and, therefore, cools down and heats up differently, which requires Soldiers to dress-up and dress-down at different intervals. Provided all tactical concerns are met, the concept of uniformity is outdated and only reduces the unit’s ability to fight and function at an optimum level."

Wonder who allowed for that nugget of wisdom to be put into a publication.

And the following sentences are:  "The extreme cold weather clothing system (ECWCS) is specifically designed to allow for rapid moisture transfer and optimum heat retention while protecting the individual from the elements. Every leader is responsible for ensuring that the ECWCS is worn in accordance with the manufacturers’ recommendations."

It's not suggesting that soldiers get to choose their own kit and wear it as they see fit, but that they wear the issued kit as it is designed to be worn.  The dress-up/dress-down concept to meet activity level is nothing new, if I recall correctly, we taught the same thing on winter warfare courses.
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Re: Soldier Operational Clothing and Equipment Modernization
« Reply #117 on: May 27, 2020, 18:41:28 »
Plus if you're ever captured you can commit seppeku with the Frisbee

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