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DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« on: October 08, 2017, 19:00:29 »
If DEO is chosen as the pathway into the CF, what happens if the education obtained prior to entry is missing elements of the degree offered at the RMC? For example, there are courses in the RMC's Military Psychology and Leadership degree that might not be available as part of a psychology degree at a civilian university such as PSE312 (Applied Military Psychology) or PSE401 (Military Professionalism and Ethics) Does one make those up at some point? Thanks.
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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2017, 17:44:22 »
What makes you think PSE312 or any other RMC course is relevant, at all, to being an officer?
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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2017, 21:42:15 »
The fact that the RMC lists these courses as mandatory for the purposes of completing the Psych degree they offer, is what. Said degree being a prerequisite for the PSEL occupation. 

At least that's what I'm reading on the website.  If ive misunderstood then I'd be happy to be corrected. 

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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2017, 22:02:23 »
They're going to look at your degree and make sure its acceptable for the entry plan/trade you're applying to. Unless you bought your degree online from the US, you should be fine. All the extra courses offered at RMC are "perks" of attending there as a ROTP candidate. RMC is not where your degree is reviewed, the CAF Recruiting Group does it completely outside their control.

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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2017, 22:07:25 »
The fact that the RMC lists these courses as mandatory for the purposes of completing the Psych degree they offer, is what. Said degree being a prerequisite for the PSEL occupation. 

At least that's what I'm reading on the website.  If ive misunderstood then I'd be happy to be corrected.
Those are courses for degrees from RMC and RMC alone, if you hold a suitable degree (which you need anyway to apply as a deo) You will not need to take other courses from RMC. Dont worry about what is in an RMC degree, it doesnt matter to you nor your application.

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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2017, 22:08:13 »
They're going to look at your degree and make sure its acceptable for the entry plan/trade you're applying to. Unless you bought your degree online from the US, you should be fine. All the extra courses offered at RMC are "perks" of attending there as a ROTP candidate. RMC is not where your degree is reviewed, the CAF Recruiting Group does it completely outside their control.
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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2017, 22:48:35 »
The fact that the RMC lists these courses as mandatory for the purposes of completing the Psych degree they offer, is what. Said degree being a prerequisite for the PSEL occupation. 

At least that's what I'm reading on the website.  If ive misunderstood then I'd be happy to be corrected.

I believe that any suitable degree qualifies the applicant, not specifically a degree from RMC.

If my reply seems harsh, it is because you appear to be making a common mistake, which is believing that RMC and/or its graduates are special or better than others.

RMC is just another university, except with a miserable student experience, poorer academics and stronger athletics.

You get paid, though. So that is a bonus.
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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2017, 00:07:02 »
Thanks gents. I thought that maybe was the case but good to know.

Does or can the following ever occur: via ROTP (not DEO), you get a suitable bachelors for occupation X. You study,graduate, and begin your service in your chosen occupation. Down the road, a different occupation appeals to you that requires a different degree or an upgrade to a masters, e.g., a Logistics Officer wishes to become a Social Worker. If they approve the occupation change, will the CF pay for the education?
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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2017, 00:35:18 »
VanIslander. No offence taken. I get your point. For the record I made no such assumptions. Note that I speciified DEO meaning I wouldn't pass through RMC anyway. That was intentional for precisely the reasons you state - I don't believe the academic quality at RMC is at the same level as a UofT or UBC. That said, I wanted to make sure that all necessary components of the occupation's prerequisites would be covered.

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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2017, 20:08:16 »
Looks like I misinterpreted.

My mistake.

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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2017, 20:22:49 »
Thanks gents. I thought that maybe was the case but good to know.

Does or can the following ever occur: via ROTP (not DEO), you get a suitable bachelors for occupation X. You study,graduate, and begin your service in your chosen occupation. Down the road, a different occupation appeals to you that requires a different degree or an upgrade to a masters, e.g., a Logistics Officer wishes to become a Social Worker. If they approve the occupation change, will the CF pay for the education?

There are programs to switch to very certain trades; doctors, dentists, lawyers etc that you can apply for after you are fully qualified in your occupation. They are pretty competitive, and you usually have to have progressed somehow to getting that qualification.  It changes annually based on requirements and once in a while they talk about getting rid of certain trades as military occupations and having them become civilian positions.

Every year there is a list of post graduate opportunities available, and are generally open to specific trades, as you have a payback period in specific jobs afterwards.  Again, can be very competitive and the list is also based on requirements of the service. Or some years no one applies and some random person gets it that no one expects but doesn't get accepted by the university...

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Re: DEO Education Military Psychology And Leadership
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 16:30:08 »
Thank you Navy_Pete. 

I recently had a discussion on this topic with a Recruiter from Calgary. The gist of what she said parallels what you are saying. She indicated that after doing one's bachelor's under ROTP, training and working in your selected occupation for 48 months, you could then look to do a VOT into a different profession subject to the CAF's approval. The 48 months is a general entry standard (along with an appropriate undergrad degree) for the SEELM program.  She also mentioned how competitive this can be.

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