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Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« on: August 09, 2017, 20:07:58 »
I think they are a bit shocked that they are not given the warm recption they had hoped for. I see them as future Liberal voters. ;D

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/troops-set-up-tents-at-border-old-royal-vic-to-shelter-asylum-seekers-1.3538567

Canadians soldiers are being deployed to St-Bernard-de-Lacolle to erect tents for asylum seekers attempting to enter Canada from the United States.
Almost 100 troops will be used to set up the camp site, which will consist of "modular tent shelters with lighting and heating and may temporarily accomodate close to 500 people," Department of National Defence spokesperson Evan Koronewski told CTV Montreal in an email.
"The Canadian Armed Forces is aware of the difficult situation that is requiring significant resources of Canada Border Services Agency, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and other partners in the area of St-Bernard-de-Lacolle," said Koronewski.

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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2017, 01:47:22 »
I think they are a bit shocked that they are not given the warm recption they had hoped for. I see them as future Liberal voters. ;D

A warm place to sleep and food, with guarantees of moving into shelters afterwards is not a warm reception? They should be building a wall, not a welcome center.
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2017, 02:42:41 »
That's probably a couple million dollars worth of MSA stores we probably won't recover, but will still have to pay for out of our budget.
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2017, 08:20:36 »
Not sure how you came to the conclusion that they are all "libs", but hey, the more the merrier! We can't have sunny ways without these shinning stars!  :P
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2017, 08:30:12 »
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/troops-set-up-tents-at-border-old-royal-vic-to-shelter-asylum-seekers-1.3538567
Maybe the Mods could change the title to reflect that they are predominantly the Haitian refugees, which have been in the news for a week for those who don't shun reading, rather than "US Libs."
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2017, 08:36:28 »
My wife has been saying for more than a week now that the Army should be sent ... to set up a few thousand feet of double concertina wire  ;D

Here's a bizarre thought: These people (most of which, it appears, are economic migrants from Haiti currently legally in the US on valid visa - that can expire - issued further to the recent earthquake) are coming through that "gap" because, if they were coming at an actual border post, the Can/US agreement would kick in and they would have to claim status in the US. Now, CBSA has set itself up with covered facilities and assigned personnel there and so has the RCMP, there are regular buses set up, there are porta-potty set up, now army tents, etc. Here's my thought, at which point does this not become a "border post", which then makes the agreement with the US kick in?  Just asking!

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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 08:45:26 »
Maybe the Mods could change the title to reflect that they are predominantly the Haitian refugees,

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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 08:47:04 »
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 08:54:18 »
Political Factual (according to the article cited)  Correctness wins again! :cdnsalute:
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2017, 09:01:29 »
Insincere apologies to those who find a preference for honesty troubling.   :not-again:

No no I really appreciate the switch (look up and you'll see I was the first to call out the thread name)... I'm just stirring the pot...  :threat:
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2017, 09:18:54 »
Given the makeup of the surge, this draws the eye ...
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Why a visit from the Haitian government has Quebec immigration lawyers worried
'We want to make sure if they are sent back, that they won't be facing problems,' lawyer says
By Benjamin Shingler, CBC News Posted: Aug 09, 2017 4:50 PM ET Last Updated: Aug 10, 2017 6:52 AM ET

A visit by Haitian government representatives to Montreal as thousands of people from the country seek asylum here is raising alarm among Quebec immigration lawyers.

Haiti's Foreign Affairs Minister Antonio Rodrigue and Stéphanie Auguste, the minister for nationals living abroad, met with Mayor Denis Coderre after arriving in Montreal on Tuesday. The pair had even hoped to meet with asylum seekers staying at the Olympic Stadium, Rodrigue told a news conference alongside Coderre.

In the end, they did not visit the stadium, said a spokesperson for PRAIDA, the provincial organization that assists arrivals to Quebec in their first months.

The visit, however, is still cause for concern, said Jean-Sébastien Boudreault, head of the Quebec Association of Immigration Lawyers. He said any contact with the Haitian government could compromise the safety and privacy of those seeking refuge from the country.

"We need to make sure, first and foremost, that we are protecting the people we are supposed to be protecting, which are the people who are seeking a refugee status," Boudreau said in an interview.

"Some of them may not be received as refugees, might not meet the requirements of refugee claimant as stated in Canadian law. So, some of them might be sent back to Haiti and we want to make sure if they are sent back, that they won't be facing problems."

The visit from the Haitian ministers coincided with a surge in asylum seekers from the country ...
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2017, 11:20:48 »
Here's a bizarre thought: These people (most of which, it appears, are economic migrants from Haiti currently legally in the US on valid visa - that can expire - issued further to the recent earthquake) are coming through that "gap" because, if they were coming at an actual border post, the Can/US agreement would kick in and they would have to claim status in the US. Now, CBSA has set itself up with covered facilities and assigned personnel there and so has the RCMP, there are regular buses set up, there are porta-potty set up, now army tents, etc. Here's my thought, at which point does this not become a "border post", which then makes the agreement with the US kick in?  Just asking!

I would think the US would have to agree to the commissioning of a new border post.

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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2017, 14:56:03 »
Build a Wall! Build a Wall!  :panic:
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2017, 15:49:42 »
I would think the US would have to agree to the commissioning of a new border post.

Why?

Just turn them around and send them back from whence they came.  No need for there to be a post on both sides of the border.  Just a point at which to turn them back.
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2017, 16:06:07 »
Several thoughts on the whole fiasco, as Trudeau has remained absolutely invisible in the past couple of weeks, never making any comment on this whole matter.  I hope this case is not a "Chretienism" of "ignore the problem and hope it goes away".

First off, Canada has escaped the mass invasion of Economic Migrants, that Europe has suffered under, due to being surrounded by three oceans, and having a nation to our South who takes its border control very seriously. 

A fear that others than Haitians are mixing in with these groups is a Security Issue that must be addressed.  A fear that Somali criminal elements may be mixed in the crowds is being looked at.

The fact that with the large number of illegal migrants claiming 'refugee' status upon entering the country could mean that the timings to get their immigration hearings could exceed eleven months, and a statement from the Liberal government that there may be an "Amnesty" offered, is very disconcerting.

The fact that these may be predominantly persons from a predominantly Roman Catholic, Western nation, who speak a French dialect, may make them much better candidates to integrate into Canadian society, than those from an African or Middle Eastern nation who may not share our Western values, nor speak either French or English, could be seen as a positive point.

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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2017, 17:16:46 »
Just turn them around and send them back from whence they came.  No need for there to be a post on both sides of the border.  Just a point at which to turn them back.

That would be hard to do legally.  When they're on the US side of the border we have no jurisdiction, and because they're not US citizens or permanent residents, we have no authority to send them back to the US once they're on our side.  Because the Safe Third Country Agreement specifies border posts, we also have no legal ground to deny asylum claims by those crossing illegally.

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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2017, 17:39:53 »
.....  Because the Safe Third Country Agreement specifies border posts, we also have no legal ground to deny asylum claims by those crossing illegally.

Because of the Safe Third Country Agreement, they were already in a 'Safe Third Country': "America"...................  Crossing into Canada illegally does not mean that they stay here.....Back they go to that Safe Third Country they chose first. They have NO legal ground to seek asylum here.
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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 19:37:08 »
Because of the Safe Third Country Agreement, they were already in a 'Safe Third Country': "America"...................  Crossing into Canada illegally does not mean that they stay here.....Back they go to that Safe Third Country they chose first. They have NO legal ground to seek asylum here.

The Safe Third Country Agreement doesn't apply where they're crossing.  The US is fine with that.  They like it this way.  If they didn't, they'd stop the migrants, because they are the only ones with absolute power to stop the migrants.  We have no authority to send non Americans back to the US once they enter Canada.

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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2017, 20:11:59 »
The Safe Third Country Agreement doesn't apply where they're crossing.  The US is fine with that.  They like it this way.  If they didn't, they'd stop the migrants, because they are the only ones with absolute power to stop the migrants.  We have no authority to send non Americans back to the US once they enter Canada.

Send them back to Haiti then. The first major news article that said someone caught illegally crossing was not sent back to the US, but to their home country, would immediately cease all illegal traffic using this loophole.

We can also close the loophole by having expedited hearings (matter of days not years) to boot them either back across or back to home country.

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Re: US Libs Flocking To Canada
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2017, 20:24:39 »
Send them back to Haiti then. The first major news article that said someone caught illegally crossing was not sent back to the US, but to their home country, would immediately cease all illegal traffic using this loophole.

If they say the word asylum and they are not subject to the Safe Third Country Agreement, we have to process their claim.

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We can also close the loophole by having expedited hearings (matter of days not years) to boot them either back across or back to home country.

I'm all in favour of that - the system just isn't designed for this sudden spike though.  I'm totally willing to spend whatever it takes.

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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2017, 23:59:43 »
There was footage that the rebel media had on YouTube where a woman was carrying her luggage and her baby across the Quebec crossing point, she tripped and fell which caused the husband hit her in the head for being clumsy right in front of the RCMP officer. Kind of cringe-worthy.
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2017, 00:00:50 »
I don't know, but some of those Haitians look an awful lot like Somalians to me.
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2017, 10:13:25 »
I don't know, but some of those Haitians look an awful lot like Somalians to me.

There are also Spanish people calling themselves Syrian (weird they only speak Soanish though..) crossing as well.
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2017, 10:38:58 »
One of the few visits from government we got in Port au Prince on OP HALO was from Montreal MP's that had a substantial number of ex-pat Haitian constituents in their ridings.  There are likely a fair number of "relatives" around the area that might be taking in "family".  As someone noted, there is a better than even chance that many could integrate easily due to large ex-pat communities.

RG - odd thing about Haiti is it was founded by ex-slaves, so many were from various parts of Africa - when you look at the people around closely, you see different ethnicity.  Some of the folks you were seeing may very well have had East African features and family lineage...of course, you may also be correct and some may have been infiltrating hoping nobody would notice.

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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2017, 16:26:32 »
Did Hell freeze over?  CBC reporting that half of asylum seekers crossing have criminal records.  (Old report from April)

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