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Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« on: January 18, 2017, 15:57:41 »
This one just came out this afternoon.

01  01  181340Z JAN  17  RR      UUUU                 CANFORGEN 012/17

           NDHQ CMPC OTTAWA
           CANFORGEN
UNCLAS CANFORGEN 012/17 CMP 009/17
SIC WAZ
BILINGUAL MESSAGE/MESSAGE BILINGUE
SUBJECT: DE-LINKING OF MEDICAL CONDITION FROM PROMOTION CRITERIA
REFS: A.  AFCX 13 JAN 17
B. QR AND O11.02, CONDITIONS GOVERNING PROMOTIONS
C. CFAO 11-6, COMMISSIONING AND PROMOTION POLICY - OFFICERS -
REGULAR FORCE
D. CFAO 49-4, CAREER POLICY - NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS - REGULAR
FORCE
E. CFAO 49-5, CAREER POLICY - NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBER - PRIMARY
RESERVE
F. CFAO 49-12, PROMOTION POLICY - OFFICERS - PRIMARY RESERVE
G. DAOD 5023-1, MINIMUM OPERATIONAL STANDARDS RELATED TO
UNIVERSALITY OF SERVICE
H. CANFORGEN 087/06, NEW DAODS ON UNIVERSALITY OF SERVICE, MINIMUM
OPERATIONAL STANDARDS RELATED TO UNIVERSALITY OF SERVICE, AND CF
PHYSICAL FITNESS PROGRAM
1. THE PURPOSE OF THIS CANFORGEN IS TO ANNOUNCE THAT CAF MEMBER
ASSIGNED A TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT MEDICAL CATEGORY, THAT IS LOWER
THAN APPLICABLE MINIMUM REQUIRED, WILL REMAIN ELIGIBLE FOR
PROMOTION, SUBJECT TO THE NEEDS OF THE SERVICE
2. A FULL-DAY ARMED FORCES COUNCIL EXECUTIVE (AFCX) MEETING FOCUSING
ON CAF PERSONNEL SUPPORT WAS HELD AT REF A. THE CDS AND L1S
EXPRESSED THEIR STRONG COMMITMENT TO FUNDAMENTALLY REVAMP THE WAY
ADMINISTRATION AND SUPPORT IS PROVIDED TO CAF MEMBERS AND THEIR
FAMILIES. MORE DETAILS ON A NUMBER OF RELATED INITIATIVES WILL BE
MADE AVAILABLE IN THE COMING MONTHS
3. CAF SENIOR LEADERSHIP IS CONCERNED WITH THE HEALTH OF ITS MEMBERS
AND WISHES TO INSTILL AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE MEMBERS WILL SEEK MEDICAL
SUPPORT WITHOUT STIGMA OR APPREHENSION OF IMPACTS ON PROMOTION. AS
WELL, THEIR PURPOSE IS TO RECOGNIZE MEMBERS’ MERIT AND THEIR FUTURE
CONTRIBUTION WHILE THEY REMAIN IN THE CAF. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY,
CAF MEMBERS, WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE PROMOTABLE, WILL BE PROMOTED AS
MERITED NOTWITHSTANDING THEIR TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT MEDICAL
CATEGORY, SUBJECT TO THE NEEDS OF THE SERVICE. MEMBERS MUST STILL
MEET ALL OTHER PROMOTION CRITERIA TO RECEIVE A SUBSTANTIVE
PROMOTION. IF A MEMBER LACKS ONE OR MORE OTHER PROMOTION
PREREQUISITES THE MEMBER MAY BE PROMOTED IN AN ACTING CAPACITY AS
PER CURRENT POLICY (REFS B TO F). MEMBER WILL HOWEVER BE REQUIRED TO
BE SUBSTANTIVE BEFORE BEING PROMOTED TO THE NEXT RANK
4. THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE A MEDICAL CONDITION WILL ALSO
PREVENT A MEMBER FROM ACHIEVING OTHER PROMOTION PREREQUISITES, SUCH
AS ATTENDING A MANDATED CAREER COURSE, OR COMPLETING THE FORCE
EVALUATION. IN SUCH INSTANCES, SET PERIODS TO MEET CRITERIA WILL NO
LONGER BE IMPOSED ON MEMBER. HE/SHE WILL THEREFORE REMAIN PROMOTED
IN AN ACTING CAPACITY UNTIL ALL PREREQUISITES CAN BE MET. NOT
ATTENDING OR COMPLETING A MANDATED CAREER COURSE OR THE FORCE
EVALUATION DUE TO A MEDICAL CONDITION WILL NO LONGER RESULT IN A
REVERSION FROM ACTING RANK TO PREVIOUS SUBSTANTIVE RANK.
FURTHERMORE, MEMBERS PROMOTED TO AN ACTING RANK WHO ARE RETAINED
WILL NOW BE EMPLOYED AT THEIR ACTING RANK
5. THAT SAID, THE FORCE EVALUATION IS STILL A PREREQUISITE FOR
SUBSTANTIVE PROMOTION. NOTWITHSTANDING ELIGIBILITY FOR PROMOTION,
MEMBERS WHO ARE PERMANENTLY UNABLE TO MEET ONE OR MORE OF THE
MINIMUM OPERATIONAL STANDARDS RELATED TO THE UNIVERSALITY OF SERVICE
PRINCIPLE WILL BE RELEASED FROM THE CAF UNDER REF G.
6. A MEMBER’S POSTING AND APPOINTMENT AT THE NEXT RANK WILL TAKE
INTO ACCOUNT HIS OR HER EMPLOYMENT AND DEPLOYMENT LIMITATIONS, AS
DICTATED BY THE NEEDS OF THE SERVICE
7. THIS CHANGE IN POLICY TAKES EFFECT IMMEDIATELY, AND IS NOT
RETROACTIVE. TO RE-EMPHASIZE, THE OVERALL INTENT IS THAT A POTENTIAL
DENIAL OF PROMOTION SHOULD NO LONGER BE A BARRIER TO CARE. OVER THE
NEXT FEW MONTHS, MPC, THROUGH DGMC, WILL MONITOR THE EXECUTION OF
THIS INITIATIVE TO DETERMINE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND ADJUSTMENTS THAT
COULD BE REQUIRED, AND WILL AMEND ACCORDINGLY AS NECESSARY. CAF
PERTAINING POLICIES, INCLUDING CANFORGEN AT REF H, WILL ALSO BE
FORMALLY AMENDED IN DUE COURSE. THIS ORDER SUPERSEDES OTHER ORDERS
OR DIRECTIVES TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CONFLICT WITH DIRECTION IN
THIS CANFORGEN

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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2017, 17:40:41 »
Why does this thread come to mind Fed Ct: "Alberta soldier denied promotion due to PTSD should have case reviewed"

Comes to mind, but wouldn't change a thing for the guy. He's still acting lacking until retirement and reverts to Corporal because he couldn't complete the course.

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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2017, 18:22:20 »
Comes to mind, but wouldn't change a thing for the guy. He's still acting lacking until retirement and reverts to Corporal because he couldn't complete the course.

As would happen for anyone else.

What this message appears to do is to remove the stigma if illness or injury from the promotion process. I wager there are a good many folks who are on TCat (pregnancy for example) who could, and should get promoted. They then still have to meet all other criteria just like the rest of us.
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 00:09:06 »
And how many decades has it taken to understand that this situation (and stigma) has affected so many, such that thousands of people would not go for an annual physical/PHA.
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2017, 01:55:52 »
As would happen for anyone else.

What this message appears to do is to remove the stigma if illness or injury from the promotion process. I wager there are a good many folks who are on TCat (pregnancy for example) who could, and should get promoted. They then still have to meet all other criteria just like the rest of us.

Pers on TCats for MATA are promotable while pregnant.  Have been since forever.
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2017, 02:23:27 »
Phenomenal news. There will be wrinkles to iron out, but there's no reason someone on med cat for, say, PTSD that's being properly managed should have their career progression sunk. Proper MELs can manage most of the risk on this.
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 12:00:00 »
Couple of questions:

1. Where is the reference that states "you must have a valid FORCE test in order to be promoted";
2. Where is the reference that states "you must have a valid MEDICAL in order to be promoted";
3. If someone is on a T6, but has not actually gone back to see the doctor, is their "medical" still "valid"? I.e. if it's been 2 years since their last full medical, but they were put on TCAT 12 months ago, and were supposed to go to the doctor every 6 months, but haven't, are they promotable?
4. If someone is put on a PCAT that has been sent to DMCA for an AR because they are of HIGH RISK of breaching UOS, are they promotable, or do you have to wait for the finding before you can promote him? (assuming D MED POL doesn't find they're in breach of UOS).
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2017, 12:47:01 »
For the valid medical and fitness test requirements, see CANFORGEN 87/06. 

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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2017, 12:52:28 »
Couple of questions:

1. Where is the reference that states "you must have a valid FORCE test in order to be promoted";
2. Where is the reference that states "you must have a valid MEDICAL in order to be promoted";
3. If someone is on a T6, but has not actually gone back to see the doctor, is their "medical" still "valid"? I.e. if it's been 2 years since their last full medical, but they were put on TCAT 12 months ago, and were supposed to go to the doctor every 6 months, but haven't, are they promotable?
4. If someone is put on a PCAT that has been sent to DMCA for an AR because they are of HIGH RISK of breaching UOS, are they promotable, or do you have to wait for the finding before you can promote him? (assuming D MED POL doesn't find they're in breach of UOS).

1 and 2 - promotion policies.
3. if you are placed on a TCat it stays until you go back.  They do not expire on their own.  The T6 is telling you when you have to go see the medics for an update which could be all clear, extend TCAT or change to PCAT.
4. in past you had to wait for AR/Mel to be resolved but reading this it appears that may be out the door as medical no longer ties up the promotion.
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2017, 13:17:45 »
1 and 2 - promotion policies.
3. if you are placed on a TCat it stays until you go back.  They do not expire on their own.  The T6 is telling you when you have to go see the medics for an update which could be all clear, extend TCAT or change to PCAT.
4. in past you had to wait for AR/Mel to be resolved but reading this it appears that may be out the door as medical no longer ties up the promotion.

For the valid medical and fitness test requirements, see CANFORGEN 87/06. 

Ok, which policies exactly?

1. From CANFORGEN 087/06, (that dapaterson) it says about fit testing: "MEET THE MINIMUM OPERATIONAL STANDARDS RELATED TO UNIVERSALITY OF SERVICE AS SET OUT IN DAOD 5023-1 WHICH INCLUDES SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF THE APPLICABLE FITNESS STANDARD

2. For medical, it's less clear. It says "MEET THE MINIMUM MEDICAL STANDARDS FOR THEIR OFFICER CLASSIFICATION IN ACCORDANCE A-MD-154-000/FP-000 MEDICAL STANDARDS FOR THE CANADIAN FORCES". So, it doesn't say "must have a valid and in date medical assessment complete." My rationalization would be that, if you haven't done a medical in 5 years, then you can't be considered to have met the minimum medical standards, because they have no proof to back it up. Requirement by inference rather than clear direction.

3. figured it out.

4. Para 5 of the CANFORGEN states "MEMBERS WHO ARE PERMANENTLY UNABLE TO MEET ONE OR MORE OF THE MINIMUM OPERATIONAL STANDARDS RELATED TO THE UNIVERSALITY OF SERVICEPRINCIPLE WILL BE RELEASED FROM THE CAF UNDER REF G."

When you get a PCAT that the MO thinks is of high risk of breaching UOS, they tell you about your new PCAT send your file to DMCA for an AR. I haven't seen anything that says you can't get promoted if your are under AR.

So, if you can now get promoted if you have a PCAT that does not meet your MOS standards, and you could always get promoted if your are under an AR, then in this case, could you get promoted with a PCAT with a high risk of breaching UOS, until such a time as they determine that it is in breach of UOS and give you the boot?
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2017, 14:14:25 »
Pers on TCats for MATA are promotable while pregnant.  Have been since forever.

I should have known that... bad example on my part.  :(
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2017, 11:54:08 »
It's framed as a way to remove the stigma for people reporting PTSD and mental illness to encourage them to seek help without having their careers trashed.

What it will typically be used for is out of shape majors in Ottawa to get put on Tcat, be medically exempted from FORCE test and still enjoy career progression to out of shape LCols.

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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2017, 12:19:36 »
When you get a PCAT that the MO thinks is of high risk of breaching UOS, they tell you about your new PCAT send your file to DMCA for an AR. I haven't seen anything that says you can't get promoted if your are under AR.

So, if you can now get promoted if you have a PCAT that does not meet your MOS standards, and you could always get promoted if your are under an AR, then in this case, could you get promoted with a PCAT with a high risk of breaching UOS, until such a time as they determine that it is in breach of UOS and give you the boot?

Well, I can tell you that I hand walk our promotion files to the BHosp here at my location for signatures on the promotion paperwork.

In the section where the medical category is entered by the medical staff it is their current category - if valid - or pending recommended temp/perm medical category if an AR is underway.  They then choose the "Promotion Recommended" or "Promotion Not recommended" block as applicable and sign/date.  Every file that I have taken them (except for MATA) that has had a TCat/AR Review noted, they have chosen "Promotion NOT Recommended".

Apparently, that will change with this message as a TCat or AR doesn't matter any more.
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Re: Delinking of medical condition from promotion criteria
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2017, 14:13:58 »
Every file that I have taken them (except for MATA) that has had a TCat/AR Review noted, they have chosen "Promotion NOT Recommended".

Apparently, that will change with this message as a TCat or AR doesn't matter any more.

The PCat doesn't matter... but does the AR?

Anyways, we submitted the request for promotion. We'll see what happens.
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