Author Topic: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires  (Read 831 times)

Greybeard and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 208,445
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,063
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
Fingers crossed for those in Fraser Lake, and many other small (and not so small) communities in the Central Interior....


B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires

The B.C. government has now declared a provincial state of emergency due to the wildfires burning around the province.

This state of emergency will be in place for 14 days but may be extended or rescinded as necessary.

It applies to the whole province and ensures provincial, federal and local resources can be delivered in a co-ordinated response to protect the residents of British Columbia.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4388826/b-c-declares-provincial-state-of-emergency-wildfires/?utm_source=notification/
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 192,275
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,712
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2018, 12:51:23 »
This may be of interest: http://www.ciffc.ca/firewire/current.php

It's updated at 1500 Winnipeg time every day.
Be nice for no reason.

Offline AbdullahD

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • 17,830
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 345
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2018, 14:29:45 »
I have been on a work train, working terrace to PG... burns lake to PG is pretty darn bad. Let me see if I cant figure out how to post some pictures.

Took the pictures yesterday, in the afternoon.. in the thick of it, it looked like the sun had already set and then around rose lake it cleared right off.

Lots of good chaps fighting these fires and the controlled burn they did was a success. Praying hard for all them guys. But I guess it is the natural order of things in the long run, just sad for all those losing so much.

Abdullah

Funny couldn't post pic direct had to ss it first lol

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 208,445
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,063
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2018, 15:17:11 »
I have been on a work train, working terrace to PG... burns lake to PG is pretty darn bad. Let me see if I cant figure out how to post some pictures.

Took the pictures yesterday, in the afternoon.. in the thick of it, it looked like the sun had already set and then around rose lake it cleared right off.

Lots of good chaps fighting these fires and the controlled burn they did was a success. Praying hard for all them guys. But I guess it is the natural order of things in the long run, just sad for all those losing so much.

Abdullah

Funny couldn't post pic direct had to ss it first lol

OMFG... that's a huge fire...  :o

One out of over 560 so far, apparently.
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline Retired AF Guy

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 33,560
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,489
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2018, 21:02:55 »
A couple photos posted today on Facebook by friends of mine in west-central Saskatchewan showing the overcast created by the fires in BC.

Years ago, fairy tales all began with, "Once upon a time." Now we know they all began with, "If I'm elected."

Carolyn Warner

Offline Retired AF Guy

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 33,560
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,489
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2018, 21:04:38 »
Second photo. This one was taken at 1:00 PM. So bad that the outside yard light came on.

Years ago, fairy tales all began with, "Once upon a time." Now we know they all began with, "If I'm elected."

Carolyn Warner

Offline AbdullahD

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • 17,830
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 345
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2018, 22:18:58 »
Second photo. This one was taken at 1:00 PM. So bad that the outside yard light came on.

That's pretty insane but cool/scary.

Just saw shovel lake is 50,000 hectares

https://www.interior-news.com/news/shovel-lake-fire-near-burns-lake-is-the-largest-active-fire-in-b-c/

Offline Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 192,275
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,712
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2018, 07:42:33 »
How in the frig are they still having 80+ human caused fires?

Good luck to the troops who will be involved. It's a slog, some of the toughest work I have ever done, but it is so rewarding.

CIFFC reports don't show much help in sight, resources are stretched super thin given that Ontario and Quebec have had significant trouble already this year. And here I was thinking that BC might get the year off - deservedly.
Be nice for no reason.

Online SeaKingTacco

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 132,095
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 4,969
  • Door Gunnery- The Sport of Kings!
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2018, 09:03:36 »
How in the frig are they still having 80+ human caused fires?

Good luck to the troops who will be involved. It's a slog, some of the toughest work I have ever done, but it is so rewarding.

CIFFC reports don't show much help in sight, resources are stretched super thin given that Ontario and Quebec have had significant trouble already this year. And here I was thinking that BC might get the year off - deservedly.

Nearly everyone I know has a story of witnessing some imbecile flick a lit cigarette butt from their car window. I know of crews who have been night flying and still discovered people in the backwoods partying at bonfires (pretty easy to see on NVGs).

In both cases, the Cops are eager to hand out tickets, if they can, but there is just so much stupidity...

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 208,445
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,063
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2018, 09:58:00 »
Nearly everyone I know has a story of witnessing some imbecile flick a lit cigarette butt from their car window. I know of crews who have been night flying and still discovered people in the backwoods partying at bonfires (pretty easy to see on NVGs).

In both cases, the Cops are eager to hand out tickets, if they can, but there is just so much stupidity...

I know one of the guys who chases arsonists too, which is hard to prove but very prevalent apparently:
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/fire-bug-likely-a-thrill-seeker-or-revenge-seeker-arson-profiler-says
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 192,275
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,712
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2018, 07:45:22 »
Oh arson is a huge problem that is not talked about much unless it becomes prolific or high value. That's my experience talking. I used to work an area where we'd be putting one out, just taking a break and cleaning up, only to see a plume from the next one kick off. This would go on for days/weeks in the spring before green up.

One lovely chap smiled at us as he walked by, on his way, likely, to set another.

Seems like the tone I am seeing through CIFFC is IA crews on the move. This might mean no relief in sight and an attempt to hit the new starts hard so they don't become campaign fires, but that's just my gut.
Be nice for no reason.

Offline Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 192,275
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,712
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2018, 13:30:06 »
I wonder if the oil and gas guys have been contacted yet. I know last year they sat on their duffs. They used to deploy readily and had good success in interface fires or water sourcing operations. Nobody can move the volumes they do.
Be nice for no reason.

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 208,445
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,063
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2018, 13:32:21 »
I wonder if the oil and gas guys have been contacted yet. I know last year they sat on their duffs. They used to deploy readily and had good success in interface fires or water sourcing operations. Nobody can move the volumes they do.

Which is why various regulatory agencies are biting at their heels right now :)
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline Journeyman

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Legend
  • *
  • 514,630
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,500
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2018, 13:36:11 »
Friends in Kimberley BC (south of Banff) just got the 'get out of Dodge' order this morning.   :(

Offline Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 192,275
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,712
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2018, 14:26:54 »
Which is why various regulatory agencies are biting at their heels right now :)

Oh? That's good news then.

It was tried 15 years ago to set up some sort of framework. Government(s) stalled it. The industrial guys went back to their industrial things. Dave eager wrote a pretty good piece on it last year: https://energynow.ca/2017/07/oilfield-firefighters-fiddle-b-c-burns-david-yager-yager-management/
Be nice for no reason.

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 208,445
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,063
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2018, 14:34:40 »
Friends in Kimberley BC (south of Banff) just got the 'get out of Dodge' order this morning.   :(

That sucks.... sorry to hear it.

That's a tough area to get around in due to the geography, so they're being careful about pulling people out as soon as it looks like a fire could cut off escape routes. Last year I think they were working with a 20km radius as a rule of thumb.

'No more Ft McMurray's' is the basic principle....
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline AbdullahD

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • 17,830
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 345

Offline Rifleman62

    Retired.

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 82,405
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2,790
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2018, 15:50:46 »
Possibly it is time to effect a CF task similar to the California air Guard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_Airborne_FireFighting_System

Quote
AIRBORNE FIREFIGHTING MISSION
The Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System (MAFFS) program provides emergency capability to support the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service in fighting wildland fires. The MAFFS units are loaded onto C-130 aircraft and can drop 3,000 lbs of retardant on a wildfire in less than five seconds, fly back to its home base, and be refilled and airborne again in less than 20 minutes. This mission highlights interagency cooperation.
Never Congratulate Yourself In Victory, Nor Blame Your Horses In Defeat - Old Cossack Expression

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 208,445
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,063
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2018, 16:46:13 »
Possibly it is time to effect a CF task similar to the California air Guard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_Airborne_FireFighting_System

Based on this report on last years' record wildfire and flood seasons, we need to be a whole lot more strategic than that:

Addressing the New Normal: 21st Century Disaster Management in British Columbia

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/public-safety-and-emergency-services/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/embc/bc-flood-and-wildfire-review-addressing-the-new-normal-21st-century-disaster-management-in-bc-web.pdf
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline Good2Golf

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Legend
  • *
  • 187,175
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 10,448
  • Dammit! I lost my sand-wedge on that last jump!
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2018, 18:48:33 »
Possibly it is time to effect a CF task similar to the California air Guard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_Airborne_FireFighting_System

Don’t underestimate the power of the commercial aerial fire fightimg lobby.  DND last water bucketed on a civilian fire in the late 80s, and on DND property in the early 90s.  It was a shared federal and pan-provincial decision that DND Air assets not be used in support of fire fighting.

:2c:

Offline CBH99

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 20,855
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 647
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 01:22:17 »
G2G,

Care to expand on that at all?  Legitimate question - I don't know anything about the decisions made, or the reasoning behind them.

Given that massive fires are the new norm, and every summer we seemingly deploy troops to assist - would it not be wise to make this part of a "normal planning" during summer months?  I'm sure it probably already is somewhere, but air assets might be a big help?  Or not?   (I literally don't know...)
Fortune Favours the Bold...and the Smart.

Wouldn't it be nice to have some Boondock Saints kicking around?

Online SeaKingTacco

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 132,095
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 4,969
  • Door Gunnery- The Sport of Kings!
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 01:34:34 »
I don't detect that in Canada, we are much short of either helos or water bombers for aerial fire suppression.

I am not sure what the RCAF could realistically add, that would not the seriously detract from our ability to get into rough strips and get people out by the metric boatload. That is what we excel at. Not dropping retardant.

Offline Good2Golf

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Legend
  • *
  • 187,175
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 10,448
  • Dammit! I lost my sand-wedge on that last jump!
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 02:08:09 »
G2G,

Care to expand on that at all?  Legitimate question - I don't know anything about the decisions made, or the reasoning behind them.

Given that massive fires are the new norm, and every summer we seemingly deploy troops to assist - would it not be wise to make this part of a "normal planning" during summer months?  I'm sure it probably already is somewhere, but air assets might be a big help?  Or not?   (I literally don't know...)

The original Chinooks used to have 1200gal rigid buckets and the Hueys had 200gal bambi buckets, and in the 80s would assist aerial firefighting outside of DND property.  There were complaints from the industry, however, that the military was taking away revenue from the civilian operators...so then the water bucketing capability was restricted to DND property only, primarily on Army bases where 10 TAG helicopters were based, due to fires often resulting from use of the Guns.  Later in the 90s, responsibility for forest fire fighting, even on DND property came under respective provincial natural resources ministries and then, even fires inside military ranges, etc. were handled by provincial or contracted civilian aerial fire-fighting assets, both fixed-wing and helos.  Today, there is no firefighting capability in the RCAF, and probably won't ever be.  The tac hel fleet that used to fire fight now is smaller and focused on operations, such as those in Mali and Iraq.

Regards
G2G

Offline CBH99

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 20,855
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 647
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 05:00:07 »
Oh arson is a huge problem that is not talked about much unless it becomes prolific or high value. That's my experience talking. I used to work an area where we'd be putting one out, just taking a break and cleaning up, only to see a plume from the next one kick off. This would go on for days/weeks in the spring before green up.

One lovely chap smiled at us as he walked by, on his way, likely, to set another.

Seems like the tone I am seeing through CIFFC is IA crews on the move. This might mean no relief in sight and an attempt to hit the new starts hard so they don't become campaign fires, but that's just my gut.


Screw tickets.  Charged & remanded until trial if sufficient evidence exists to suggest someone is either a) causing arson in the form of fires during forest fire operations (especially these massive ones) - or b) massive fines if someone is seen throwing a lit cigarette or some other stupid thing during these types of situations.

The amount of money & manpower to fight these is HUGE.  Plenty of fires occur naturally, as nature intended & needs.  Fine, fair enough.  Nature will always manage nature far better than we can.

But if someone is intentionally starting fires, or is too stupid to not start a fire by being a bonehead?  No moral problem here arresting/charging them, or hitting them with a massive fine.


**If I was driving through BC and threw a lit cigarette out a window under these circumstances, I would rightfully hope someone would just kick my a$$.
+300
Fortune Favours the Bold...and the Smart.

Wouldn't it be nice to have some Boondock Saints kicking around?

Offline Colin P

  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *****
  • 120,250
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,597
  • Civilian
    • http://www.pacific.ccg-gcc.gc.ca
Re: B.C. declares provincial state of emergency due to wildfires
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 14:42:55 »
Used to be an issue that people in certain communities up north would set fires in order to get jobs fighting it. Canada could set up a air squadron under PWGS using new build Cl-215 water bombers. An firm order on 10 bombers would likely kick start the production line and result in a lot of international sales, helping to offset the initial order.