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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #125 on: October 14, 2014, 16:18:19 »
FWIW I've yet to see any NCM aircrew with this jacket on. 
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #126 on: October 14, 2014, 18:11:15 »
FWIW I've yet to see any NCM aircrew with this jacket on.

I think half the peopke at Shearwater wearing them are NCM aircrew... I think its a group dynamic thing; once one goes then those around them do.

As I'm not flying, my flight suits have "shrunk," and I don't want to get new ones to work in the lab, I wear CADPAT; I'm fortunately spared the anguish of this particular decision.

Edited for grammar.
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #127 on: October 14, 2014, 19:49:39 »
at Shearwater

That explains it...all that rotor vibration.  And people say it doesn't affect the brain function that much.  Busted!

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #128 on: October 14, 2014, 19:58:42 »
FWIW I've yet to see any NCM aircrew with this jacket on.

I've seen a few FEs with them around the Wing.

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #129 on: October 18, 2014, 17:14:46 »
I think half the peopke at Shearwater wearing them are NCM aircrew... I think its a group dynamic thing; once one goes then those around them do.

As I'm not flying, my flight suits have "shrunk," and I don't want to get new ones to work in the lab, I wear CADPAT; I'm fortunately spared the anguish of this particular decision.

Edited for grammar.

I recall a time, not so long ago, when almost all the Shearwater NCM aircrew (ie AESOps) came from the Combat Arms.

Hmmm....... :nod:
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #130 on: October 20, 2014, 14:33:11 »
I wonder if they deployed to Kuwait with their jackets..... ^-^
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2015, 18:24:42 »
Nametags question:
I used to be an AC Op, got out, and will hopefully get an offer for pilot in the near future.
Am I allowed to have the AC Op half wings on the jacket nametag until I earn the pilot wings? Or is that kind of thing a no-go?

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #132 on: January 25, 2015, 18:43:57 »
Nav's who re-muster wear their Nav wings until they earn the upgrade, ( ;D ).  I don't see why AESOPs would be different.

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #133 on: January 25, 2015, 19:15:50 »
The difference does not seem to be about occupation, but about re-enrolling as opposed to being selected for a commissioning program.  I think the old qualification would have to be re-recognized through PLAR at time of re-enrollment.

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #134 on: January 25, 2015, 20:41:42 »
AC Op and AES OP are different trades. 

I'm not sure if 'trade badges' (wings are qual badges) are 'allowed' on the leather jacket stuff.
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #135 on: January 25, 2015, 22:37:15 »
Eye in the Sky - I'm under the impression that they are mandatory. The website has every full and half wing set Canada has on there.
MAJONES - I tend to want to agree with you, and the only thing I could think of against that would be a rule that only full wings are allowed on there, as Eye in the Sky thinks.
That said, since the RCAF has opened the jacket to every trade to worn with the 3's, it would be weird that most members wouldn't be allowed to have anything on there.

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #136 on: January 25, 2015, 22:56:52 »
Togakure, pretty sure the only metal device(s) on the personally-purchased RCAF leather jacket are the required rank devices attached to the epaulettes.  The name tag is a leather/velcro'd patch similar to US flying clothing name badges.  The name tag can be ordered with an RCAF's Qualification / Trade badge, so your name patch would have the AC Op wings and you would need to get a new name patch with your new wings, once qualified. 

I'll take a gander at the RCAF CWO's name patch next time I see him and double check back here with my findings.

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2015, 16:39:58 »
Question for the AEC/AC Op types; at what point are you able to put up the Airborne Warning badge on a flight suit, vice the 'half wing' trade badge of AEC/AC Op?  I *guess* when you are in a flying billet, but that's just a guess?



Good point on the 3B aspect - the leather jacket 'regs' are something I didn't really pay attention to as I already have 5 issued jackets.   ^-^
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2015, 18:35:05 »
You RCAF types should Jazz those jackets up. Gaudy and cheap is the way to go..... ;)
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2015, 19:03:48 »
You RCAF types should Jazz those jackets up. Gaudy and cheap is the way to go..... ;)

Just the thing: http://www.cpgear.com/store/biker_patches/extra_large_ppcli_patch.htm
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #141 on: January 26, 2015, 23:56:54 »
Question for the AEC/AC Op types; at what point are you able to put up the Airborne Warning badge on a flight suit, vice the 'half wing' trade badge of AEC/AC Op? 
They put up those particular wings once they graduate their USAF IQT on the E-3.  At which point, they can also put up those wings on their service dress for the rest of their careers.
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #142 on: January 27, 2015, 00:10:53 »
What he said ;)

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #143 on: January 27, 2015, 10:43:11 »
You RCAF types should Jazz those jackets up. Gaudy and cheap is the way to go..... ;)

I agree



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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #144 on: January 28, 2015, 16:38:17 »
Saw a Pilot wearing this today-

The only thing that was missing was him wandering around with a white scarf and two stage hands carrying around fans to make sure his scarf is blowing at all times.
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #145 on: January 28, 2015, 16:43:00 »
While I don't think the leather jacket has a practical use, I am also not sure it is quite that bad...
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #146 on: January 29, 2015, 11:27:33 »
While I don't think the leather jacket has a practical use, I am also not sure it is quite that bad...

It looks like its from Giant Tiger. At that price you should be getting 5 of them.
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #147 on: January 29, 2015, 11:29:48 »
It looks like its from Giant Tiger. At that price you should be getting 5 of them.

The GT Boutique or Le Tigre Grand.....
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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #148 on: January 29, 2015, 13:26:49 »
...I'll take a gander at the RCAF CWO's name patch next time I see him and double check back here with my findings.

I spoke with the RCAF CWO, and he confirmed that AC Ops can indeed have the controller wings symbol embossed on the leather name patch above their name and rank.  Qualification or trade insignia are authorized on the name patch.

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Re: RCAF Leather Jacket (merged discussion and mocking)
« Reply #149 on: January 29, 2015, 16:39:00 »
I spoke with the RCAF CWO, and he confirmed that AC Ops can indeed have the controller wings symbol embossed on the leather name patch above their name and rank.  Qualification or trade insignia are authorized on the name patch.

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A-firm; had a few minutes today, looked up the CANAIRGEN.

CANAIRGEN 10/14

2. NAME TAGS - WHEN WEARING THE LEATHER JACKET WITH THE UNIFORM, RCAF PERSONNEL MUST ALWAYS WEAR A NAME TAG THAT ADHERES TO THE REGULATIONS STIPULATED IN THIS MESSAGE. THE RCAF CONTINUES TO WORK WITH CANEX TO FIND A SUITABLE CANADIAN MANUFACTURER, BUT AT THE PRESENT TIME, THERE IS NO CANADIAN MANUFACTURER WHO IS ABLE TO PRODUCE THE NAME TAGS IN CANADA. AS SUCH, THE ONLY AUTHORIZED MANUFACTURER OF THE LEATHER NAME TAGS TO BE WORN WITH THE RCAF LEATHER JACKET IS NAMETAGS4U.COM. PERSONNEL SHOULD ORDER THEIR LEATHER NAME TAGS DIRECTLY FROM THE COMPANY S WEBSITE LOCATED AT http://HTTPS://WWW.NAMETAGS4U.COM/FLIGHTSUIT-NAMETAGS/

3. THERE ARE 3 COMPONENTS TO THE NAME TAGS:
A. WINGS (REQUIRED FOR ALL TRADES ONCE THE MEMBER IS TRADE QUALIFIED)
B. LINE 1 (REQUIRED FOR ALL TRADES)
C. LINE 2 (OPTIONAL)

4. THE OPTIONAL PORTION OF THE NAME TAG SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR INCLUSION WHEN THE MEMBER HAS A SIGNIFICANT POSITION(IE. UNIT CO/CWOS), BUT IS NOT MANDATORY. IN THIS WAY, MEMBERS MAY KEEP THE SAME NAME TAG WHEN THEY ARE POSTED BETWEEN JOBS, UNTIL THEY ARE PROMOTED, AT WHICH TIME THEY OF COURSE REQUIRE A NEW ONE. WHEN MEMBERS ELECT TO INCLUDE THEIR POSITION ON THEIR NAME TAGS, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO MAKE THE POSITION TITLES BILINGUAL. THE POSITIONS MAY BE SPELLED OUT IN FULL, OR MAY BE ABBREVIATED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE MEMBER (I.E. CO 443 SQN WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, AS WOULD WING LOGISTICS OFFICER)

5. NAME TAGS SHALL ALL BE ORDERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA:
A. LEATHER COLOUR: BLACK
B. BACKGROUND: NONE
C. WING COLOUR: SILVER
D. TEXT LAYOUT: CENTER
E. TEXT COLOR: SILVER
F. LINE 1: RANK FIRST NAME LAST NAME, ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS (THE RANK MAY BE ABBREVIATED OR MAY BE SPELLED OUT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE MEMBER)
G. LINE 2: POSITION, ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS

6. CURRENTLY, THE OFFICIAL RCAF WINGS FOR MOST TRADES CAN BE FOUND BY
FOLLOWING THESE STEPS:
A. https://www.nametags4u.com/
B. SCROLL TO THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IN THE CENTRE SECTION, UNDER THE TITLE LEATHER PRODUCTS IS THE HEADING CUSTOM NAMETAGS. CLICK ON THIS
C. IN THE CENTRE OF THE PAGE, UNDER THE TITLE SELECT A CATEGORY TO LIST THE WING BADGES, AND DESIGNS AVAILABLE FOR LEATHER TAGS IS THE HEADING CANADIAN LEATHER NAMETAGS CLICK ON THIS
D. FIND YOUR TRADE WING AND CLICK ON THE DESIGN ONLINE LINK BELOW THE CORRESPONDING WING
E. FOLLOW THE ONLINE PROMPTS TO CREATE YOUR NAMETAG
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