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So, let's see if I got this straight: It is this government's position that the Canadian born children of someone who turned out to have been a foreign spy cannot have their Canadian citizenship recognized even though they themselves have not been proven to have done anything wrong or untoward to Canada. Apparently, to maintain their citizenship would create "absurd results".

On the other hand, it is apparently OK to maintain the Canadian citizenship of a foreign born person who has elected to become a Canadian citizen without renouncing their other nationality   after they, themselves, committed an act of overt terrorism against Canada or one of our allies. That, apparently is not an "absurd result".

Also, apparently, innocent children whose parents have mislead immigration authorities to get into Canada and obtain Canadian citizenship can be automatically striped of their citizenship, unless it is suddenly discovered that they are Minister of the crown.

Am I missing something here?

Just trying to keep our immigration/citizenship policies straight.  [:(
A few shots went downrange last night.

Welcome to, Steve, even, or maybe especially, at this crappy occasion. It's about time that you pitched up in here.
Navy General / Re: HMC Ship deployment crew numbers - ATI request
« Last post by Occam on Today at 09:41:10 »
Thanks, Navy_Pete - I assume you mean asking DHR how many Somalia medals were awarded to crew/airdet?  That would probably work as 90 cumulative days service in theatre would've been required to be awarded the medal, and would eliminate any transient pers.

Or did you mean DHH from simply a historical records search perspective?
Smart, keen, an absolute pleasure to work with and be around. An actual gentleman, who will be missed.
This from The Canadian Press ...
Ottawa appeals ruling that returned citizenship to son of Russian spies
In June, the appeal court ruled in Alexander Vavilov’s favour. The government says the “absurd result” of the Federal Court of Appeal’s decision “raises important issues about theintegrity of Canadian citizenship.”
Jim Bronskill The Canadian Press Published on Thu Sep 21 2017

OTTAWA — The federal government is appealing a court decision that handed Canadian citizenship back to the Toronto-born son of Russian spies after it was revoked by Ottawa.

In asking the Supreme Court of Canada to hear the case, the government says the "absurd result" of the Federal Court of Appeal's decision "raises important issues about the integrity of Canadian citizenship" and should not be allowed to stand.

It likely will be several weeks before the Supreme Court decides whether to hear the case.

In June, the appeal court ruled in Alexander Vavilov's favour — the latest turn in a long-running spy saga brimming with international intrigue.

Vavilov, 23, was born in 1994 as Alexander Philip Anthony Foley to Donald Heathfield and Tracey Ann Foley. The following year the family — including an older boy, Timothy — left Canada for France, where they spent four years before moving to the United States.

One day in June 2010, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation turned up at the family's Boston-area home.

In all, 11 people — four of whom claimed to be Canadian — were indicted on charges of conspiring to act as secret agents in the United States on behalf of the SVR, the Russian Federation's successor to the ruthless KGB.

Heathfield and Foley admitted to being Andrey Bezrukov and Elena Vavilova ...
Basic Training / Re: BMQ 2017 - Regular Force
« Last post by NickNML on Today at 08:20:03 »
I'm a hopeful for the same date as you both. I got my Email today notifying me that an offer was present. I will be calling to formally accept it tomorrow and ill let you guys know if we will be seeing each other soon!  :salute: :cdn:

Sounds like you will probably be getting the 6th as well. Good luck!
Rocket Man speaks (screen capture of PRK statement via Ministry of Foreign Affairs page also attached) ...
Statement of Chairman of State Affairs Commission of DPRK
Posted on: 2017-09-22

Respected Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un, chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the DPRK, released a statement on Thursday.

The full text of the statement reads:

The speech made by the U.S. president in his maiden address on the UN arena in the prevailing serious circumstances, in which the situation on the Korean peninsula has been rendered tense as never before and is inching closer to a touch-and-go state, is arousing worldwide concern.

Shaping the general idea of what he would say, I expected he would make stereo-typed, prepared remarks a little different from what he used to utter in his office on the spur of the moment as he had to speak on the world’s biggest official diplomatic stage.

But, far from making remarks of any persuasive power that can be viewed to be helpful to defusing tension, he made unprecedented rude nonsense one has never heard from any of his predecessors.

A frightened dog barks louder.

I’d like to advise Trump to exercise prudence in selecting words and to be considerate of whom he speaks to when making a speech in front of the world.

The mentally deranged behavior of the U.S. president openly expressing on the UN arena the unethical will to “totally destroy” a sovereign state, beyond the boundary of threats of regime change or overturn of social system, makes even those with normal thinking faculty lose discretion and composure.

His remarks remind me of such words as “political layman” and “political heretic” which were in vogue in reference to Trump during his presidential election campaign.

After taking office Trump has rendered the world restless through threats and blackmail against all countries in the world. He is unfit to hold the prerogative of supreme command of a country, and he is surely a rogue and a gangster fond of playing with fire, rather than a politician.

His remarks which described the U.S. option through straightforward expression of his will have convinced me, rather than frightening or stopping me, that the path I chose is correct and that it is the one I have to follow to the last.

Now that Trump has denied the existence of and insulted me and my country in front of the eyes of the world and made the most ferocious declaration of a war in history that he would destroy the DPRK, we will consider with seriousness exercising of a corresponding, highest level of hard-line countermeasure in history.

Action is the best option in treating the dotard who, hard of hearing, is uttering only what he wants to say.

As a man representing the DPRK and on behalf of the dignity and honor of my state and people and on my own, I will make the man holding the prerogative of the supreme command in the U.S. pay dearly for his speech calling for totally destroying the DPRK.

This is not a rhetorical expression loved by Trump.

I am now thinking hard about what response he could have expected when he allowed such eccentric words to trip off his tongue.

Whatever Trump might have expected, he will face results beyond his expectation.

I will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged U.S. dotard with fire.
From the DND info-machine ...
As part of Canada’s whole-of-government strategy in response to the crises in Iraq and Syria, and following the liberation of Mosul by Iraqi Security Forces (ISF), the Canadian Armed Forces are now providing advice and assistance to ISF in the area around Hawija, Iraq.

Canada has also sent a small team of Canadian Army engineers to observe ongoing explosive threat training that the ISF are receiving under the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Training and Capacity Building – Iraq mandate. This is the first step in plans for highly-skilled Canadian combat engineers to provide this training to ISF later this fall.

With the liberation of Mosul by ISF, the military coalition’s campaign to degrade and defeat Daesh continues to progress. Coalition allies and partners must remain flexible and adapt to the changing threats. As such, the CAF has continued to shift its contribution to ISF elements involved in ridding other Iraqi centers of Daesh’s control.

As outlined in Canada’s new defence policy, the government is dedicated to working with Coalition allies and partners to deter and defeat Daesh. Canada’s contributions to the Global Coalition against Daesh demonstrate Canada’s continued commitment to addressing the threat stemming from terrorist organizations such as Daesh, and respond to the needs of conflict-affected people in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon.


    "Canada continues to be a responsible member of the international community and valued ally by remaining engaged in the world. The Canadian Armed Forces will adjust its contributions to ensure we remain a meaningful partner the coalition fight against Daesh.”

    — Harjit S. Sajjan, Defence Minister

    “I am proud of the significant contribution of the women and men of the Canadian Armed Forces who have helped Iraqi Security Forces degrade Daesh across Northern Iraq. As we move forward, there is still much work to be done, and we will remain flexible and ensure we take advantage of our valuable operational skill set so our contributions are as effective as possible.”

    — General Jonathan Vance, Chief of the Defence Staff

Quick Facts

    The CAF will continue to support, when required, its ISF partners in Mosul with advice and assistance to defeat the remaining threats left by Daesh.

    The CAF continues to provide training to Kurdish forces in Northern Iraq. To date, the Canadian Armed Forces have trained approximately 2450 personnel.

    The Canadian Army will provide about a dozen specialized personnel to support the Special Operations Task Force. These personnel will bolster force protection of both Special Operations Forces and ISF by helping to detect, identify and defeat threats. The majority of these members will deploy from the 4th Canadian Division, based in Ontario, and will fall under the command of the Special Operations Task Force.

    NATO Training and Capacity Building – Iraq is the training program launched in January, 2017, which has seen NATO advisors in Iraq overseeing training activities and working with Iraqi authorities to reform their security institutions.

    Canada continues to contribute existing capabilities, including:
        Aerial refueling and surveillance capabilities;
        A tactical airlift detachment;
        Tactical helicopters;
        A CAF-led Role 2 medical facility;
        Training, equipment, advising, and assisting Iraqi security forces; and
        Support to the Global Coalition with highly-skilled personnel, including intelligence support.

    The recently renewed Op IMPACT mandate provides CAF with the authority to tailor its contribution to the Global Coalition fight against Daesh and the CAF is constantly seeking opportunities to better adjust its contribution to make it the most relevant to the evolving situation. The extended Op IMPACT mandate is well-aligned with Canada’s whole-of-government Strategy in the region.

    Through the Government of Canada’s whole-of-government strategy, announced in February 2016, Canada is investing $ 2 billion over the course of three years (2016-19) to address security, stabilization, humanitarian and development challenges stemming from the crises in Iraq and Syria and their impacts on Jordan and Lebanon. The Strategy also reinforces Canada’s diplomatic presence in the region to increase our political engagement and help resolve the crises ...
... and from
A handful of Canadian army combat engineers will soon be in Iraq to train local security forces in the finer points of detecting and defusing roadside bombs, the Liberal government announced Thursday.

An advance team has already been sent to observe the kind of instruction being given under a NATO program that was announced at the Warsaw Summit in the summer of 2016, but only established in earlier this year.

A media release by National Defence provided few specifics, saying only a dozen engineers would be involved in the new endeavour and that they would deploy "later this fall." ...
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Basic Training / Re: BMOQ 2018 - Regular Force
« Last post by paxis on Today at 02:47:43 »
Does anyone have any updates on additional 2018 dates and/or the number of spots still open for the intakes?
Trudeau is adored by his fans.

If he reverses course he won't lose a single vote from his core. 

I also think he has laid significant ground work as to why the Boeing deal won't fly, so if he changes plans I don't think it hurts him at all.
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