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Re: LOW but got paid
« Reply #2425 on: January 15, 2018, 12:35:28 »
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Re: LOW but got paid
« Reply #2426 on: January 15, 2018, 12:35:58 »
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Re: Regular Officer Training Plan (ROTP)-Civilian University [MERGED]
« Reply #2427 on: April 07, 2018, 01:43:30 »
Hi Everyone. I am requesting info for my son, Karan, who is busy with his 2nd semester final exams. Karan was accepted in ROTP last year and joined BMOQ on 10 July 2017. Unfortunately he had to seek voluntary release because he couldn't take vaccinations due to phobia of needles. He joined Bachelor of Engineering (Mechanical) at UOIT. He has more or less overcome his phobia now and has reapplied for ROTP this year and his application has been accepted for further processing. Can someone please guide us on likely outcomes. We understand that Karan will not have to go through CFAT and Interview again. But he would surely have to prove that he has overcome his phobia of needles. When and how will he have to do that ?? If all goes well, is there a chance that after completing BMOQ (1) this August he can join 2nd year Mechanical Engineering at RMC, Kingston ? Thank you.

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Housing for ROTP Student at Civvie-U
« Reply #2428 on: April 12, 2018, 17:30:25 »
Sorry if this has been posted/answered before! I did a lot of searching and couldn't find it.

I am currently a university student (just about finished first year) at a civilian university and I want to join the CAF to help pay for the rest of my degree (B.Sc.Eng). The job security at the end is a huge plus. I would be applying for Engineer Officer and EME Officer, the former being my "first choice", but both being mostly equal in appeal for me.

My question is, is there DND housing available for ROTP students at civvie university? Based off the numbers I have found for pay for Officer Cadets, it's too low for residence at my university (UManitoba). My parents house would no longer be an option if I joined the CAF.

If DND housing isn't available, does anyone know if the salary would cover living in an apartment in Winnipeg? I know a few people who are apartment hunting right now and it seems that unless you're in really rough areas in the city, you'd be hard pressed to find a clean 1 bedroom or bachelor apartment under $1200 a month.

Any and all advice is appreciated! Thanks in advance :)
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Re: Housing for ROTP Student at Civvie-U
« Reply #2429 on: April 12, 2018, 21:08:44 »
Sorry if this has been posted/answered before! I did a lot of searching and couldn't find it.

I am currently a university student (just about finished first year) at a civilian university and I want to join the CAF to help pay for the rest of my degree (B.Sc.Eng). The job security at the end is a huge plus. I would be applying for Engineer Officer and EME Officer, the former being my "first choice", but both being mostly equal in appeal for me.

My question is, is there DND housing available for ROTP students at civvie university? Based off the numbers I have found for pay for Officer Cadets, it's too low for residence at my university (UManitoba). My parents house would no longer be an option if I joined the CAF.

If DND housing isn't available, does anyone know if the salary would cover living in an apartment in Winnipeg? I know a few people who are apartment hunting right now and it seems that unless you're in really rough areas in the city, you'd be hard pressed to find a clean 1 bedroom or bachelor apartment under $1200 a month.

Any and all advice is appreciated! Thanks in advance :)
no dnd housing. I was at u of m last year till i came back to ontario for another degree. i was at st john's residence and it was about 8k which cost more than my tution  :facepalm: but they did have payment plan though. but it includes 3 meals/day and snack on weekend/exams. there were one or two reservists living there as well
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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2430 on: April 12, 2018, 21:56:15 »
Thank you! I will look into maybe finding a roommate for an apartment I suppose :/ 

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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2431 on: April 18, 2018, 01:04:19 »
I’m in Ontario in ROTP at a civilian university and yes, bills are quite tight on an OCdt salary, but it’s doable.  I live in ‘student housing’ ie. a house rented with 3 roommates and also (by choice) work a part time job.  I know another ROTP student who lived in residence as an RA or ‘don’ to help with costs of living though.  There’s no way I could afford to live in residence on this salary though (works out to about $800/month not including all food, where as rent is $500 ish in this area for a room in a house with others).  Hope this helps!
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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2432 on: April 27, 2018, 10:38:23 »
Currently applying for ROTP (civvy u), and received an email asking me about how many months left to complete my bachelor's.

From my understanding I believe you need at least 1 year left of schooling to be eligible and subsidized.

Is that one year 8 months (fall/winter semester) or 12 months (fall/winter/summer semester)? How many months left of school do I need left to be be accepted?
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Re: Housing for ROTP Student at Civvie-U
« Reply #2433 on: April 30, 2018, 14:17:25 »
Sorry if this has been posted/answered before! I did a lot of searching and couldn't find it.

I am currently a university student (just about finished first year) at a civilian university and I want to join the CAF to help pay for the rest of my degree (B.Sc.Eng). The job security at the end is a huge plus. I would be applying for Engineer Officer and EME Officer, the former being my "first choice", but both being mostly equal in appeal for me.

My question is, is there DND housing available for ROTP students at civvie university? Based off the numbers I have found for pay for Officer Cadets, it's too low for residence at my university (UManitoba). My parents house would no longer be an option if I joined the CAF.

If DND housing isn't available, does anyone know if the salary would cover living in an apartment in Winnipeg? I know a few people who are apartment hunting right now and it seems that unless you're in really rough areas in the city, you'd be hard pressed to find a clean 1 bedroom or bachelor apartment under $1200 a month.

Any and all advice is appreciated! Thanks in advance :)

As a member of the CAF, you would be allowed to occupy single quarters appropriate to your rank, IF they exist and IF there is vacancy.  So the question is whether there is a base nearby that has a vacancy in its single officer quarters.  I too was civvy U ROTP and I had a room in the Officers' Quarters while at school.  You have to pay for it though.  Charges for rations and quarters will come off you pay up front (so at least you will always have a roof over your head and food to eat) and because I couldn't go to the mess for lunch on weekdays, I was able to get packed lunches to take with me.  Having said all this, I still had to get a part time job if I wanted to do anything other than eat, sleep or go to class.  An ROTP OCdt salary is far from lucrative.
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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2434 on: June 03, 2018, 05:32:21 »
So my ROTP is about to start, but it happened in a very interesting way... I applied for Sig O last year to attend UBC and wasn't selected. Unaware that my appl would carry over, I started a new Cl B contract as a recruiter in Vancouver, and then I get an email only last week saying I was selected for Sig O for ROTP CIV U..... Immediately I drop everything I'm doing and write out a letter requesting UBC to consider my late, late application, explaining my situation. I gotta say they were amazing. It's been less than 2 weeks since I sent that letter and they've approved; they're already working for a "late deferral" from my last year's application, which saves me $150 bux as well!

Now I'm just patiently waiting for my CT Capt to get back to me with confirmation saying he'll get started on the official offer. Hopefully they'll offer to at least keep similar pay (Reserve PO2) and send me to BMOQ-L even before my school starts to get it out of the way...


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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2435 on: June 07, 2018, 16:34:19 »
Hello Everybody,

I have made a facebook group for the ROTP/RMC class of 2022. Here is the link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2205319479688194/

Feel free to add members you may know. Share occupation and other information (hobbies, home town, date of BMOQ/ enrolment, and etc...). This will give us a great opportunity to get to know each other before training starts ;D.

 

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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2436 on: August 03, 2018, 20:31:58 »
So my ROTP is about to start, but it happened in a very interesting way... I applied for Sig O last year to attend UBC and wasn't selected. Unaware that my appl would carry over, I started a new Cl B contract as a recruiter in Vancouver, and then I get an email only last week saying I was selected for Sig O for ROTP CIV U..... Immediately I drop everything I'm doing and write out a letter requesting UBC to consider my late, late application, explaining my situation. I gotta say they were amazing. It's been less than 2 weeks since I sent that letter and they've approved; they're already working for a "late deferral" from my last year's application, which saves me $150 bux as well!

Now I'm just patiently waiting for my CT Capt to get back to me with confirmation saying he'll get started on the official offer. Hopefully they'll offer to at least keep similar pay (Reserve PO2) and send me to BMOQ-L even before my school starts to get it out of the way...


Recruiting Centre: Vancouver BC
Regular/Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: Officer
Entry plan: ROTP (CIVI U)
Choice 1: Signals Officer
Choice 2: Int Officer (Land)
Choice 3: N/A
Applied: Dec 2016
First Contact: Dec 2016
Docs to RMC: (enrolled to UBC 03 June 2018)
CFAT/TSD-PI: (CT from Reserve Cl B)
Interview: Mar 2017
Medical: (CT from Reserve Cl B)     
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Position Offered: 25 May 2018
Enrollment: (CT from Reserve Cl B)
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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2437 on: August 11, 2018, 17:43:18 »
So I have a couple of questions about civi u rotp. Say I apply for a couple Civi uni's (looking at Waterloo, UBC, UofA, in that order), as long as I get accepted into one the CF will allow me to go there and pay for the tuition? Or is it only if you need to go to a civi u? Is there a cap on how much tuition they'll pay, since one of those uni's are very expensive.

How does residence work, do you get anything for it or do you just have to hope the salary gets you by (which it won't in UBC). Can you stay at quarters at a nearby base if available?

Is getting a second job allowed at all? Or doing work terms, coop, internships etc. This is going to be important so if I can't, I may just go to RMC.

I'd like to thank everyone for their help in advance.

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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2438 on: August 11, 2018, 19:51:06 »
I did ROTP Civi-U. My info might not be up to date so feel free to correct as needed.

To get accepted to the CivU program, I had to write an essay explaining why the school/program I chose was a better choice than RMC.

Tuition cap : If it is a mandatory fee, it's gonna be covered, except for student's union.

Residence : you will get Post Living Differential (PLD)  depending on the town. I don't have the link right now.

Coop/internship : If it is part of the degree, you can do it with the CAF. If you want to do it with a private company, you have to take leave without pay as you cannot get a secondary payment for your duty (since CAF pay for school, and the internship is mandatory, internship = regular duty)

Secondary job: Case by case. In Montreal, it was not allowed.

Hope this help.

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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2439 on: August 13, 2018, 02:21:49 »
Hi Hucker,

Yeah that definetly cleared a lot of stuff up. The process sounds kind of interesting so I just have a couple more questions.

1. How exactly would you convince them that the uni you choose is better than RMC? Is it good enough to go "they're the #2" engineering school in Canada, will bring out my true potential etc. ?

2. So if a second job is not allowed how would you.. survive? Rent for one room in Waterloo is $600 and it's $900 in Vancouver.  If I'm correct Ocdt salary is like $1200/motnh so it's pretty tight. Do you have to demonstrate to your CO why you need a second job?

3. How do you advance up the pay steps in ROTP, is it yearly?

I'd like to thank you for your help, you've shed light on many questions I had.

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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2440 on: August 13, 2018, 08:30:41 »
For question 3, yes it is yearly. Right now the monthly pay rates for each year are 1667, 1700, 1739, and 1772.

For question 2:

PLD stands for “Post Living Differential”, which is a benefit paid to members of the CAF based on where they live. If you live in an expensive city, you basically get extra money each money to offset the higher cost of living. Montreal, for example, has PLD of $432 per month (before tax). This is in addition to you pay as an OCdt.

I’m not sure what kind of lifestyle you live, or if you have a family, but it’s entirely doable (everyone before you did it). When I was an ROTP student, I was at RMC. Kingston has a PLD of $0, so all I received was my paltry OCdt pay. Further, as an RMC student, I had to live in residence, so I had rations and quarters automatically deducted from my pay. The result was that I received only around $200 every pay check.

This $200 was for everything from my cell phone bill, car insurance, gas, eating out money, drinking money, vacation money, clothes, video games, etc.

Some people made it work; I didn’t. I went out and got a student line of credit. I was able to use the student line of credit to buy a car, buy a motorcycle, travel, and party. I did all this because I knew that when I graduated my salary was going to instantly increase form $18k/year to $51k/year, plus I would be moving to Victoria which would give me an additional $10k/year in PLD, thereby effectively tripling my salary in 1 day.

I left RMC with a $30k student line of credit and had it paid off in just over a year.

Some people I went to school with didn’t take out a line of credit and left RMC with money in their pocket (I still don’t know how).

So, you can make it work.
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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2441 on: August 16, 2018, 04:34:13 »
So since that post I've crunched the numbers again and turns out I can make it in pretty much all of my top choice uni's on OCdt pay alone. After income tax I can still save up some money to go see family etc. I'm really scared of living paycheck to paycheck but looks like that may not be the case. Anyways, how do internships and coop work. Do you get penalized for taking leave without pay for doing a co op? How would I do a co op with the CF seeing as my AERE training wouldn't be completed? It's just somewhat confusing how that would all work.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me out so far, it's really good to have all this info ahead of time.
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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2442 on: August 16, 2018, 10:34:41 »
So since that post I've crunched the numbers again and turns out I can make it in pretty much all of my top choice uni's on OCdt pay alone. After income tax I can still save up some money to go see family etc. I'm really scared of living paycheck to paycheck but looks like that may not be the case. Anyways, how do internships and coop work. Do you get penalized for taking leave without pay for doing a co op? How would I do a co op with the CF seeing as my AERE training wouldn't be completed? It's just somewhat confusing how that would all work.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me out so far, it's really good to have all this info ahead of time.

Can you elaborate on "internships and coops"?

I'm not an engineer, but I don't recall ever hearing about engineering programs have internships or coops as part of their university curriculums.

The ROTP program provides you with 4 years of paid education (there are some exceptions). If the school your are attending has as part of its curriculum a coop or internship program, then that would be covered, as it is part of your "education". If, for example, the 2nd half of years 3 of your program involves you working at an engineering firm, then as long as that is part of the curriculum and is necessary for the completion of your baccalaureate, well then that's what we're paying for.

Unless I'm not understanding what you mean by internships and coop?
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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2443 on: August 19, 2018, 04:43:59 »
Can you elaborate on "internships and coops"?

I'm not an engineer, but I don't recall ever hearing about engineering programs have internships or coops as part of their university curriculums.

The ROTP program provides you with 4 years of paid education (there are some exceptions). If the school your are attending has as part of its curriculum a coop or internship program, then that would be covered, as it is part of your "education". If, for example, the 2nd half of years 3 of your program involves you working at an engineering firm, then as long as that is part of the curriculum and is necessary for the completion of your baccalaureate, well then that's what we're paying for.

Unless I'm not understanding what you mean by internships and coop?

It's basically work experience programs. Most don't require it but Waterloo offers it as a large part of their curriculum, as do most other universities. I'm not sure if it's mandatory at Waterloo or not, but coop works where you work one term at an engineering firm and study for two terms. Any idea how it would work with the military?

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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2444 on: August 19, 2018, 12:27:25 »
For you to participate in the co-op program you would need permission from the SEM through the local ULO. You'd have to request a leave of absence while you were employed in the co-op terms. All of this still doesn't guarantee you get a co-op placement though.

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Re: ROTP at Civilian University
« Reply #2445 on: August 19, 2018, 13:42:43 »
It's basically work experience programs. Most don't require it but Waterloo offers it as a large part of their curriculum, as do most other universities. I'm not sure if it's mandatory at Waterloo or not, but coop works where you work one term at an engineering firm and study for two terms. Any idea how it would work with the military?

Is there a specific reason why you are so interested in "co-op" programs?  Or is it the specific university (Waterloo?) and they seem to make co-op programs an attractive way (especially financially) to complete a degree?  You aren't the first to ask the Waterloo question in this forum University of Waterloo Students Enrolled in ROTP .

If one of the reasons you are looking at a co-op program is the financial incentive of earning extra money during the work terms, then you would be out of luck.  While work term employers have to pay co-op students, in the case of ROTP students since they are already paid by the government they are not permitted to keep any additional pay provided for their work term services.  Since you seem to be interested in engineering programs, it may be a moot point, but if you were accepted to pursue a co-op degree program under ROTP you would be limited to only a few occupations.

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And there is also the training timeline to consider.  After a quick look at Waterloo's site https://uwaterloo.ca/future-students/co-op, it appears that if one followed their co-op schedule, the military training that normally occurs during the summer months between school years would have to be postponed until a degree was completed.  But Waterloo also provides a regular (non co-op) system of study.
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