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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #600 on: October 04, 2019, 12:08:10 »
Those interested in where violence happens should be drilling down to specific neighbourhoods and communities.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #601 on: October 04, 2019, 12:37:49 »
Those interested in where violence happens should be drilling down to specific neighbourhoods and communities.
Watch local TO news and there is close to a shooting incident every day.
And as Brad says "specific neighbourhoods" are where most of it happens. Unfortunately there are a lot of innocent civilians caught in the crossfire. And some of these weapons are used outside these areas. If you hear TO talking about a handgun ban this is what is driving the concern. Shootings are occurring in public areas thruout the city. I live in a suburban TO community and serious gun violence is higher than in any past year I can recall.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #602 on: October 04, 2019, 14:09:49 »
I'm surprised Surrey BC wasn't in the top ten

I suspect Surrey was included in the Vancouver census metropolitan area ( CMA ).

"A census metropolitan area (CMA) consists of one or more neighbouring municipalities situated around a major urban core. A CMA must have a total population of at least 100,000 of which 50,000 or more live in the urban core. To be included in the CMA, other adjacent municipalities must have a high degree of integration with the central urban area, as measured by commuting flows derived from census data. A CMA typically comprises more than one police service."

"Metro Vancouver is a federation of 22 municipalities."

Those interested in where violence happens should be drilling down to specific neighbourhoods and communities.

There are 140 neighbourhoods officially recognized by the City of Toronto, and upwards of 240 unofficial neighbourhoods.

That is City only. Does not include the Greater Toronto Area ( GTA ) Regions of Halton, Peel, York and Durham.

If one is looking to "drill down" for a crime hot spot, I think my neighbourhood would be pretty disappointing,

It's the only one that has its own community run Town Hall. It is the only one to have a lake, a river, and a pond as it's natural boundaries. It's very hilly with  winding roads and many mature trees. It was a village until 1967, and we had our own Fire Dept.

Other than at the Legion, you couldn't buy alcohol until after 2000 ( The year. Not the hour. ) Want beer or wine with your spaghetti in a restaurant? Sorry, have a Coke or ginger ale.

Not exactly Mayberry. Not exactly the crime hot spot some might be looking for either.  :)












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« Reply #603 on: October 04, 2019, 14:25:05 »
I suspect Surrey was included in the Vancouver census metropolitan area ( CMA ).

"A census metropolitan area (CMA) consists of one or more neighbouring municipalities situated around a major urban core. A CMA must have a total population of at least 100,000 of which 50,000 or more live in the urban core. To be included in the CMA, other adjacent municipalities must have a high degree of integration with the central urban area, as measured by commuting flows derived from census data. A CMA typically comprises more than one police service."

"Metro Vancouver is a federation of 22 municipalities."

There are 140 neighbourhoods officially recognized by the City of Toronto, and upwards of 240 unofficial neighbourhoods.

That is City only. Does not include the Greater Toronto Area ( GTA ) Regions of Halton, Peel, York and Durham.

If one is looking to "drill down" for a crime hot spot, I think my neighbourhood would be pretty disappointing,

It's the only one that has its own community run Town Hall. It is the only one to have a lake, a river, and a pond as it's natural boundaries. It's very hilly with  winding roads and many mature trees. It was a village until 1967, and we had our own Fire Dept.

Other than at the Legion, you couldn't buy alcohol until after 2000. Want beer or wine with your spaghetti in a restaurant? Sorry, have a Coke or ginger ale.
If I'm right you live in Port Credit
And you have my Grandad to blame he was a founder of that Legion and the Mayor of Port Credit at roughly the same time.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #604 on: October 04, 2019, 14:30:44 »
If I'm right you live in Port Credit
And you have my Grandad to blame he was a founder of that Legion and the Mayor of Port Credit at roughly the same time.

No. I love Port Credit. But, I live in the former Village of Swansea. "The final frontier before the Borough of Etobicoke". Now incorporated into the City of Toronto.

The Legion was Branch #46. Coincidentally located directly across the street from the village firehouse. How's that for urban planning?

The firehouse is still there. ( A one-truck station. ) But, the legion closed after the area went "wet".
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #605 on: October 04, 2019, 15:55:05 »
It sounds like Toronto is a lot safer and nicer than I thought. Why do we hear them so much in the news?  Are they blowing the gun and gang violence out of proportion? Sort of a it snowed send in the army response?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #606 on: October 04, 2019, 17:00:12 »
It sounds like Toronto is a lot safer and nicer than I thought.

Not sure it could ever  be safe enough for some.

We explained the residential population. Now, you can add the tourist population,

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Toronto is the leading tourism destination in Canada. In 2017, Toronto welcomed over 43.7 million visitors.
•A record 15.5 million were overnight visitors
•28.2 million same day visitors
•International travellers to Toronto: ◦5.1 million overnight visitors came from international destinations
◦2.9 million overnight visitors came from the U.S.
(Source: Tourism Toronto, 2017).

Most come looking for a good time. Some may get into trouble.

Why do we hear them so much in the news? 

Where do you think Canada's news media is located?

Are they blowing the gun and gang violence out of proportion?

Probably could never  blow it up enough to satisfy some.

Sort of a it snowed send in the army response?

Once. In the 1990's. Worst one I ever worked.

Do you know the effect a snow storm can have on emergency operations in a big city?

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"FDNY EMS has a aprox 5 hour delay to Emergencies. FDNY personal are advised not to do CPR more then 20 min due to high vol of jobs." [ sic ]

FDNY-EMS reported a backlog of 1,300 9-1-1 calls and a 3-hour to 12-hour delay in response to critical cases, including cardiac arrests and heart attacks.

A report of a mother unable to breath. Her daughter called 9-1-1, but could not get through for 50 minutes. A neighbour administered CPR, but EMS was unable to arrive for another 45 minutes, and they still had to walk to her house. The lady did not survive.

A man died of a heart attack after it took paramedics three-and-a-half hours to arrive. It took another 28 hours for a city medical examiner to pick up the body, which had been resting in a bag on a bed.

A 22-year-old pregnant woman started contractions. Because of the ambulance delay, she began walking from her home to the hospital, but couldn't make it. She stopped in a building lobby. 911 was called again at 8:30 a.m. By 4:30 p.m. she had started crowning and 911 was called again. Around 5:20 p.m. police arrived (by foot since driving was impossible) and found the woman attempting to leave and walk to the hospital again. She was brought back inside and the baby was delivered.  Despite the efforts of police and neighbors the baby was lost.

Sources said FDNY-EMS requested a state of emergency be declared, but the Office of Emergency Management denied the request. A Hearing is to be held in early January.

"Family of NYC Woman Who Died in Blizzard Plans $20M Lawsuit:
Suffering a heart attack during the New York City blizzard after Christmas, Yvonne Freeman "never had a chance," her daughter says, because an ambulance took three hours to reach her over unplowed streets. By the time it got there, it was too late.
Now Freeman's family is planning a $20 million lawsuit against the city -- the first blizzard-related wrongful death case.":

NY Daily News:
"...the city is slammed for failing to declare a snow emergency."


To avoid lawsuits, NYC does not hesitate to call in the army.

If you need outside help, ask for it! Otherwise, those you swore to serve and protect will sue the city.




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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #607 on: October 12, 2019, 14:41:04 »
The list of guns banned in NZ including .22cal rimfires Lever Actions. Remember how they told us, they are not coming for our guns and we are paranoid? If you think Canada won't do the same, you are sadly mistaken  https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/prohibited-firearms-and-parts-buy-back-price-list.pdf
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #608 on: October 12, 2019, 17:23:45 »
The list of guns banned in NZ including .22cal rimfires Lever Actions. Remember how they told us, they are not coming for our guns and we are paranoid? If you think Canada won't do the same, you are sadly mistaken  https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/prohibited-firearms-and-parts-buy-back-price-list.pdf

I checked what two of my firearms are worth according to that list in new condition and it came back $14'250 Canadian.

I paid $3800 Canadian for em both.



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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #609 on: October 12, 2019, 18:46:25 »
I checked what two of my firearms are worth according to that list in new condition and it came back $14'250 Canadian.

I paid $3800 Canadian for em both.

My FNC para gets me a little under 8K in NZ, probably about $800 here.
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« Reply #610 on: October 12, 2019, 19:26:55 »
The internets says $8000 NZD is worth $6691 CDN.

I'd definitely take that off your hands for $800 if that's the case  ;D
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #611 on: October 12, 2019, 21:16:34 »
Ah yes, the knee-jerk reaction of the NZ government.

They fear the mighty Cooey 60 and the venerable Wingmaster 870, along with the ever so deadly Win '94.  :panic:

Think of the children!!! No-one will be able to teach them to enjoy shooting and hunting safely.....   ;D



Again, gun control is not about the guns..... It's about the control.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #612 on: October 16, 2019, 20:16:25 »
338canada has Ralph Goodale behind in the polls.  Good for gun owners.
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« Reply #613 on: October 16, 2019, 20:35:39 »
A portion of my collection rings in at just about $40K according to that list...interesting.

Not that I'm interested in surrendering any of them.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #614 on: October 18, 2019, 12:08:24 »
Well this is terrifying.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6044669/liberals-defend-chinese-facebook-ads-on-andrew-scheers-gun-policy/


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Once the Conservatives are in power, these assault rifles will spread to the streets


It's really weird that the ton of military style (theme? Flavored?) firearms already out there that are non-restricted and not tracked by the RCMP aren't flooding the streets, but if it's coming from the LPC at election time it seems like a legit concern.

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« Reply #615 on: October 18, 2019, 13:08:14 »
Taking a closer look at the NDP and LPC stance on guns.  It is looking more and more like a coalition will form and I`m curious about what they have in common.

A few thing...
 
LPC - Ban military assault style weapons.  Not sure what that is and they don`t seem to know.

NDP - No mention of a ban.  Just that they will work to get them off the street.  Pretty vague.

Both support letting cities ban handguns.  Not even sure how that would work.

I noted one more thing from the LPC:   People in intimate relationships suspected of being violent will have their licenses revoked.  I see a lot of potential for abuse here by vindictive partners.

I suspect the NDP will be fine with the LPC gun violence platform.  They seem more focused on stopping gun violence at the source but I doubt they will oppose anything the LPC is proposing.

I`m not sure what gun owners can do to insulate themselves from this but hopefully they have been looking at it.  I think though it will require the next CPC leader to try and overturn it if they can win next time. (I am being presumptuous but I am fairly certain the CPC will not get a majority, without which they will not be able to govern.)

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #616 on: October 18, 2019, 20:29:55 »
Liberals digging deep lol




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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #617 on: October 18, 2019, 20:47:30 »
 Are you telling me that if I vote Conservative, I get an AK-47?

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« Reply #618 on: October 18, 2019, 21:45:48 »
Are you telling me that if I vote Conservative, I get an AK-47?

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« Reply #619 on: October 18, 2019, 22:10:05 »
Are you telling me that if I vote Conservative, I get an AK-47?

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« Reply #620 on: October 18, 2019, 22:12:38 »
I just want something belt fed :(

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« Reply #621 on: October 19, 2019, 02:39:13 »
Liberals digging deep lol





Perhaps its just me, and I am feeling pretty apathetic this election - not going to lie.  But it's these types of petty tactics that I find, for myself anyway, work AGAINST the party putting up those kinds of posters.

It's not hard to slander your political opponents, sensationalize minor things, dig up petty dirt on someone & portray them to be the most horrid choice imaginable.  Elementary school kids could probably do an equally good job of running a political campaign if that's the substance of it.


Instead of coming up with posters like that in order to scare people...why not take the time to simply argue what you WOULD do if elected, and how that would benefit people?  Talk about what things you'd like to accomplish and how that might come to be, so people vote for you based on merit and optimism about those plans.

Putting down the other political parties tells me absolutely nothing other than your taking the time to discredit them, rather than taking the time to clearly tell the public what you'd like to do and why, so they vote for you out of affection for your ideas & not sensationalized nonsense about the other parties.


And in the case of the Liberals this time around, if you had just put your foot down & governed well in the first place, you wouldn't have to lay it on so thick come election time.  Instead of trying to buy voters with big election promises, why not just lead in a way that people support in the first place?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #622 on: October 19, 2019, 08:24:39 »
Great points CBH.

I always scratch my head when people buy into to these 11th hour election promises.

If it was such a big deal why not start dealing with it week one someone is in office.

Speaking of backfiring, the LPC did a bunch of them in chinese targeting Chinese Canadians. I guess to counter the Conservative Chinese ads about Liberals and hard drugs.

The LPC must not have did their homework- Asians in Canada make up a huge, I'd say exploding, demograph of firearm owners and people getting into guns and shooting.

When I seen the ads I laughed and said you dummies.


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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
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Any ideas where this election leaves the liberal promise of banning firearms?

Few thoughts.

The criteria for what constitutes an assault weapon is pretty open meaning millions of guns could in theory be taken. Easily over a billion dollars. I think I calculated up to 6 or, 7 billion.

Would a minority government be able to pass a law like that which will cost 6 billion?

NDP didn't seem to care that much. Singh spoke about supporting cities and municipalities being able to ban handguns if they wanted but I don't recall much talk about assault weapons.

Quebec instituted their own gun registry but from what I can see there's a very low compliance rate. Like the long gun registry of old, Quebec firearm owners aren't playing ball. Would the Bloc want to escalate the Quebec gun registration into a full firearm ban?

With the #wexit talk what would the optics of a gun ban pushed by the Liberals look like?  I can't imagine western Canada using it as an oppertuity to paint the LPC as trying to disarm them before bullying them. Like Trudeau told Scheer "You're not in Alberta anymore".



Safe to say that promise is put on the back burner or will the Liberals try to use it to their advantage?
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« Reply #624 on: Today at 15:38:55 »
Any ideas where this election leaves the liberal promise of banning firearms?

Few thoughts.

The criteria for what constitutes an assault weapon is pretty open meaning millions of guns could in theory be taken. Easily over a billion dollars. I think I calculated up to 6 or, 7 billion.

Would a minority government be able to pass a law like that which will cost 6 billion?

NDP didn't seem to care that much. Singh spoke about supporting cities and municipalities being able to ban handguns if they wanted but I don't recall much talk about assault weapons.

Quebec instituted their own gun registry but from what I can see there's a very low compliance rate. Like the long gun registry of old, Quebec firearm owners aren't playing ball. Would the Bloc want to escalate the Quebec gun registration into a full firearm ban?

With the #wexit talk what would the optics of a gun ban pushed by the Liberals look like?  I can't imagine western Canada using it as an oppertuity to paint the LPC as trying to disarm them before bullying them. Like Trudeau told Scheer "You're not in Alberta anymore".

Safe to say that promise is put on the back burner or will the Liberals try to use it to their advantage?

I think they will move quick on this.  The NDP will support as they are on the same page more or less.  Quebec's political class has always supported less guns so I doubt the Bloc will oppose it either. 

At least on cities banning handguns.  Banning certain firearms would likely be easy as well as they would leave it to the RCMP to decide I would think.
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