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To deny this is at the heart of liberal mythology. Comes down to the - very religious, mind you - idea that humans are interchangeable automatons, that their minds are blank slates, molded strictly by environmental and social factors. When in actuality, genetics is typically the foremost...

You come in here complaining about behaviour but all you've got on offer is insults and clichés? Would you be interested in the acquisition of a mirror? Much self-reflection is in order, methinks.

That is a good argument. Generally speaking, I think the West's living conditions have progressively improved from the fall of Rome to the late 1900s. Children in coal mines is certainly not what I want to see. I'm not asking for families of 14 either, which seemingly existed to counteract...

No one is "chasing away" anyone here except the pro-Russia and pro-Hamas trolls. Being told you're wrong is part and parcel of a political conversation. If one can't handle that... Too bad. I know plenty of women who can, though. Strange you'd want to reduce them to a stereotype. And what, men...

Not really. Groups of humans are easily swayed by the concerted efforts of vested interest. And it just so happens that it is extremely beneficial to the business sector when individuals are kept separate, self-reliant but not capable, and pushed into the workforce. Maximizes consumer spending...

Exactly. Tremendously important point. Something people will have to realize is that the neutral State does not exist. If half-measures could solve this problem, it would've been solved already. Refusal to dig deeper to analyze the sociological and psychological elements is a good way to...

Again, it doesn't matter how good or how bad the daycare is, the problem is its very nature. The dynamic it generates. Hence the problem with talking about exceptions. Good or bad, they obfuscate the conversation. They hide the forest with trees. In the practical world, though, that's not how...

No, calling out fallacies has always been at the heart of the rhetoric art. My point was that childcare-as-default creates a society in which children are seen as a burden, not as the miracle of life that they are or, at the very least, something precious and loved. Then you downplayed it by...

They are made so when their parents get rid of them ASAP and hand them over to mommy state. Why are you talking about exceptions? Engage with the generality, applicable to the majority, before thinking about exceptions. You're not unfamiliar with this principle. (y) Then our positions are...

It's one element of that phenomenon, yes. There is something uncanny about fully surrendering the education of your kids to the government. Sleep 8 hours, work 8 hours, between household chores, work prep, commute, rest from all the built up stress and exhaustion, etc, how much time are you...

Buddy... Remember when the screechers were opposed to a land invasion, pretexting it would cause more collateral damage than literal bombings from the sky? It's never been about the practical reality.

The Asian countries suffer from similar yet slightly different problems. Their societies are extremely rigid (Japan, SK) and hostile to intersexual warmth. If you pull up a graph of Korean youth politics, you'll see the young men and women are diametrically opposed.

I doubt you actually believe that based on your posting history. The purpose of a system is what it does. If your system reduces natality, it is not pro-natalist. Slapping a peace symbol on a rocket doesn't make it non-violent.

I'm using the same source as you. It shows no effect at all. And it shows the current culture taken generally is anti natalist. It follows from there that anything which reinforced that culture is anti natalist. As to your last question: de-centering money as a source of meaning in and of...

Not to mention we should not be encouraging "parenthood as a job" which is what the Canada child benefit does, resulting in disastrous familial environments in poor communities.

It doesn't. Read my last paragraph to my reply to Brihard. Alternatively, provide source convincingly showing substantial effect of natalist policies you've alluded to so far. (It doesn't exist) You gave me that source. Quebec has universal childcare and below replacement fertility. This is...

It doesn't matter what anyone wants. The current culture tends towards extinction and will be replaced. Either by foreign cultures coming in and taking over, or by homegrown natalist counter cultures. Basic math. There's a bit of cause and effect inversion at play here. Much of that is...

What? Can you at least explain your rationale? A policy that dehumanizes children and trivializes family is NOT anti-natalist? The data shows a .1 difference, and Quebec remains well below replacement. Utterly inconclusive. Nothing points directly to universal childcare either. Could be...

Getting rid of your kids as soon as possible (right as your maternal leave runs out) to fork them over to the government is not conducive to centering life around the family or creating the best relationship between mother and child. Rather, it is yet another form of commodification of...

Universal child care is an anti-natalist policy, for the record.