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Therapeutic Cannabis use
« on: May 13, 2010, 18:38:03 »
I here more and more about therapeutic pot use on the news lately.
I have considered it for my bodily pains.
Presently I use Celebrex, and at times, when pain gets kinda out there, I take Triatec which is opium based.
I am wondering about the pot idea and if it works......if it is better.....or worse, or what?
I find it hard to find any real input on the subject...as right away it seems that I'm not taken seriously.
Anybody?
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 20:08:07 »
Very non-specific questions. Are you interested in your "pot use" and it's relationship to the CF?
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 20:17:22 »
57Chevy.

You are seeking medical advice on an army-like forum.  If I were you, I'd go to a medical forum and ask them about the use of machine guns in the defensive, and you'd get similar responses.


Seriously, though, your questions are sound, but you're asking the wrong people.
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 20:30:13 »
Very non-specific questions. Are you interested in your "pot use" and it's relationship to the CF?
Obviously, I could go out and get some if wanted to. However, it would not be for recreational puposes. I did sustain certain injuries while serving in the forces. What I have heard is that marijuana has therapeutic attributes that help with problems concerning arthrosis, lower back pain, an such.
I am more interested to know if it actually helps.
I hate needles and I don't particularly like taking pills.
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2010, 20:37:21 »
57Chevy.

You are seeking medical advice on an army-like forum.  If I were you, I'd go to a medical forum and ask them about the use of machine guns in the defensive, and you'd get similar responses.


Seriously, though, your questions are sound, but you're asking the wrong people.

not quite
many mil pers have been injured in the line of duty, and suffer a great deal.
I think this is the better place to find some real responses.
As I am not the only one who uses medication provided by veterans affairs.

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 20:46:20 »
Are you asking about coverage and acceptance details by VAC, or are you asking about the opinion from the members of this site?

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2010, 20:57:48 »
Are you asking about coverage and acceptance details by VAC, or are you asking about the opinion from the members of this site?

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anything and all...what can I say?
personally speaking, I don't think vets affairs would accept it.. but I don't know at this time.

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2010, 21:03:19 »
anything and all...what can I say?
personally speaking, I don't think vets affairs would accept it.. but I don't know at this time.

If I understand the process correctly, VAC has to pay it if your doctor prescribes it, so the prescription is probably your larger hurdle.  Have you asked your doc about it?

Not sure if you'd seen this or not - http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090514/medical_marijuana_090514?hub=OttawaHome - but at the SCAN seminar I attended recently, the VAC rep informed the audience that there were many veterans now being provided with medical marijuana.  I don't recall the exact number, but I was surprised at how many.

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2010, 21:07:53 »
I'm going to stay out of this for a bit - I have personal opinions for and against it's use...

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2010, 21:08:19 »
If I understand the process correctly, VAC has to pay it if your doctor prescribes it, so the prescription is probably your larger hurdle.  Have you asked your doc about it?

Not sure if you'd seen this or not - http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090514/medical_marijuana_090514?hub=OttawaHome - but at the SCAN seminar I attended recently, the VAC rep informed the audience that there were many veterans now being provided with medical marijuana.  I don't recall the exact number, but I was surprised at how many.


Occam nailed it.

VAC covers it, if it is prescribed by your Doctor (GP, Psychiatrist).

Next question, are you wondering if it is acceptable by the members of the forums?

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2010, 21:12:49 »
I'm going to stay out of this for a bit - I have personal opinions for and against it's use...

MM

I always like when people give their opinions about not giving their opinion  ;D  :D ;D (joke, joke!)

Have you tried accupuncture? I used to be very sceptical about it  until my physio tried it on me...and I must say it helps a lot!

Anyway, good luck man! Living with constant pain is not much fun....
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 21:25:31 »
I am wondering about the pot idea and if it works......if it is better.....or worse, or what?

We can all offer personal opinions, but only a Medical Doctor can sign the declaration.
"Applicants must provide a declaration from a medical practitioner to support the application."

"Who is eligible to use medical marijuana?":
http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/for-patients/who-is-eligible

"Who is eligible to obtain an authorization to possess marihuana?":
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/about-apropos/faq-eng.php/#a3



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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2010, 21:59:43 »
I think Technoviking was right ( as usual ) in Reply #2.
We can all offer personal opinions, but only a Medical Doctor can sign the declaration.
"Applicants must provide a declaration from a medical practitioner to support the application."

"Who is eligible to use medical marijuana?":
http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/for-patients/who-is-eligible

"Who is eligible to obtain an authorization to possess marihuana?":
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/about-apropos/faq-eng.php/#a3

Now we're gettng someplace....thanks for the links......I'll be checking them out.
What of pros and cons?
 Opinions count too........As I have read the eligibility link, I see that I would be able to apply.





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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2010, 23:41:26 »
Now we're gettng someplace....thanks for the links......I'll be checking them out.
What of pros and cons?
 Opinions count too........As I have read the eligibility link, I see that I would be able to apply.

Speaking as a ( retired ) health care professional, my advice, whenever asked for advice about what medications I would, or would not, recommend, has always been to make an appointment with your family doctor. S/he will examine you and prescribe what medicine(s) is best for you.
That's not always what people want to hear. But, it is the way we were taught.

Here is another link I found interesting. I hope you do too.
Medical cannabis in Canada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Canada
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2010, 23:47:13 »
I'm going to stay out of this for a bit - I have personal opinions for and against it's use...

MM

Lets hear it
I have pros and cons too
I remain undecided on its use, but I think it has its place other than recreational use. To put it
bluntly.....other than just getting stoned like most users.

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2010, 00:00:00 »
Here is another link I found interesting. I hope you do too.
Medical cannabis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis

Thanks for that too
Very interesting

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2010, 00:57:00 »
Pros - can stimulate people's appetites, can relax people, lots of different ways of getting it into the system

Cons - what's the real effective dose (Cheech and Chong size joints or just a small one, or better yet, a pill of xmg strength THC); for those that smoke it, are the health risks associated with smoking non-filtered smoke worse than what's wrong with the person; do they just want it because they're junkies and "nothing else works for me" that you get with drug seekers; fat soluble drug, so stuff can keep coming back (could also be a pro - maybe a little sustained release) - hard to regulate in the system properly; can build tolerance so therefore need more to get the same effect.  There the legal embuggerances of having to carry your LTT - License to Toke and Transport (not in that order) and where you get the stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I feel there is a place for this stuff, especially with some diseases, like advanced/terminal cancers.  When you give someone anything, you have to be pretty sure what the intended effect you want is, what the odds of harm coming to someone are and what both people involved hope to gain, all while taking the best available evidence to support you decision...people don't realize that alot of physicians aren't going to prescribe something if there isn't good hard proof of what something does and what the minimum safe and effective dose of a given medicine is.  A wise man named Paracelsus once said all medicines are poisons; only the dose determines poison or remedy.  The jury is still out on good dose vs bad dose I believe.

There are lots of other things out there besides drugs to hep with pain - the best pain docs deal with the mental as well as physical side of things...and there's the rub - people don't want to do the work that comes with staying healthy.  They just want to take a pill or light up and hope everything goes away.  People don't want the advice their doc has for them, which for the most part is really what alot of people need - they just want that magic Rx pad.

Sorry to all for sounding a bit preachy (and long winded) - I'd say the same about alot of medicne we give out as well that are actually legal.

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2010, 01:55:03 »
Like Bloke said try accupuncture.

See a naturalpath and things over the counter herbal. Massage can help too.

A lifestyle change of a healthier diet, low impact exercise in a group environment, and a happier outlook also can help.

Try the physio/chiro route too, or prescribed proven/reliable medication if you must.

I'd steer clear of Mary Jane.

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2010, 05:52:15 »
to mariomike: Firstly,  I am one of the too many that doesn't have a family doc. I do take the
                      medication that was prescribed to me as I support the doctors advice. And
                      I am not saying that the prescribed medication doesn't work....because it does.
                      At least to some degree. Thanks for the input
medicineman: You don't sound at all preachy.....A lot of docs are paid off by pill mfg companies
                      to get their product used. I notice in one of the links aformentioned about finding
                     a  compassionate Dr. because most Drs. are not for this type of treatment. Except
                      the terminal type cases, of which I somewhat agree. I am not looking for a fix all
                      type of thing......more on the lines of pain management. Some days are good and
                      some days are bad. That's why the doc prescribed the triatec on an as required
                      basis. I think that the pot use could be effective, but there seems to be a lot of
                      negative sides to the issue. For one, like needing more and more all the time to
                      obtain the same result. Memory loss and some sort of mental rage I see in alot
                      of the heavy user types. Thanks for the input
               

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2010, 06:00:05 »
Like Bloke said try accupuncture.

See a naturalpath and things over the counter herbal. Massage can help too.

A lifestyle change of a healthier diet, low impact exercise in a group environment, and a happier outlook also can help.

Try the physio/chiro route too, or prescribed proven/reliable medication if you must.

I'd steer clear of Mary Jane.

My 2 bob.

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I won't be trying acuunture...I hate needles  :D
The rest is good advice...thanks for the input

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 06:09:18 »
I've had accupuncture done, and one does not even feel it, and I hate needles too, ha  :nod:

I had success with it too.

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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 08:38:32 »
Echoing Techno's reply that this isn't the best audience to ask, the Army for the most part is relatively anti-narcotics.

Even when things change in society it always takes an extra generation for the culture to change, because the senior decision makers were raised in the previous generation's culture.

Even if marijuana became legal today, you wouldn't see people doing it in the smoking area tomorrow.
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 09:20:59 »
Even if marijuana became legal today, you wouldn't see people doing it in the smoking area tomorrow.
Wanna bet?  ;D
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2010, 09:25:14 »
Wanna bet?

Yes I do, the same way you don't (or at least shouldn't) see people getting drunk at work.

If it ever becomes legal, I can not see it being treated any differently than alcohol where it would be 8+ hours before being on duty.  Possibly 12 or 24 hours, I guess...I'm no Dr.
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Re: Therapeutic Pot use
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2010, 09:26:23 »
Yes I do, the same way you don't
Though I get it that if it were legal, I would not smoke it on duty, or prior to.  If, however, it were legal today, then you would probably see me in the smoking hut at the mess, having a "puff" to chase my Crown Royal!

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