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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2008, 21:47:32 »
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2008, 21:50:13 »
 You are not too old but you are too lazy.
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2008, 23:09:09 »
You aren't too old.

No decision is "bad". There are only right and wrong decisions for you.

As long as you meet the criteria, you can start at almost any position.

Go to www.forces.ca and search hot jobs, those are the jobs that are in the highest demand.

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2008, 23:14:30 »


What are the most in demand positions right now for army with the Canadian forces?


Who freakin cares. How about you loom for something that you will like instead. That way, 10 years from now, you are not whining that you are in a trade you dont like. Joining a trade simply because it is " in demand" is freakin stupid.

Look at all the trades, pick one that you like and apply for that. The rest will fall into place.

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2008, 08:04:30 »
Good evening. I was looking again at the military as a change of careers?

If I started. I will be a 31 year old male. I am in good fitness and health.

Would I be too old to join military? With no previous background or degree?

Would Infantry be a bad decision?

What positions would be recommended for army for someone to start?

What are the most in demand positions right now for army with the Canadian forces?

You are certianly not too old. There are a number of "hot jobs" but the five critical onest ab are Sig Ops, Artillery, and 3 Navy Tech trades. Like the comment made above, choose something that interests you. Like the other comments, look up forces.ca where there is tons of info, and do some research before you get to the recruiting center.

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2008, 08:56:45 »
I'll be 37 this month and start basic in January. There are plenty of people older than I joining, so you are certainly not "too old".

Visit the recruiting website and then your local CFRC. I made no fewer than 3 visits to 2 different recruiting centres before I even applied. In that time, I changed my application from reserves to reg force, and considered several trades, both NCM and Officer, before settling on my 3 choices. Talking to recruiters helps a lot. Also, at the RCs, there are brochures with information on each trade, and in my case, I was given a couple of little DVDs (if they don't offer, ask). Take your time and figure out what you are best suited for and most interested in.

The "search" function on this website will yield plenty of results for almost any recruiting question you have.
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2009, 22:47:01 »
Hi all,

I’m considering joining the Reserve Forces after a number of years as a civi. I was actually in the Air Force for 20 years as an AET and later as an AVN tech.
Health is still very good (with the exception of a keg of beer wrapped around my belly) and I still meet the Canadian Forces physical fitness standards for my age group so I think, why not? The Forces was very good to me and I miss the life style and job as a member of the CF.

My question to all you old dogs that rejoined the Regs or joined the reserves after being out for a while is how was the transition? Do you have any suggestions or stories good or bad, that I may find helpful?

Look forward to hearing all your insight.

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2009, 07:19:39 »
Don't let age or time out of uniform, work its way into your decision to join. I was accepted back into the Reserves at the ripe age of 52. I was even offer a signing bonus to switch to the Regs.

Other than being called various names related to my age, it was not that bad.

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2009, 07:46:51 »
Thanks there Guns for the feedback. Just what I was looking for.
How long were you out prior to rejoining?

Thanks again.

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2009, 07:49:55 »
I did fairly much the same thing.  The only things I can't get used to is the failures in administration, and some of the 'non-military' attitudes some Reservists have; 'they just don't get it'.  Usually a little bit of TI and a Tour sort out those attitudes.  Other than that, I enjoy working with the group of people I am with in my unit, and have no regrets about joining the Reserves. 

I wish more Ex-Reg Force would join the Reserves to help mentor them, as well as make the CT process a two-way street to stem the flow of freshly qualified Reservists leaving the Reserve units.  At times it is a little disheartening to train a Reservist, and then see him/her join the Regs, leaving your unit with nothing and having to bring in more raw recruits to start the process over again.  If the CT process was a two way street, this would lessen the impact on Reserve units and give them trained pers to keep their capabilities up.  Many Reserve Units have a serious problem with shortages in their leadership ranks at the MCpl through WO levels. 
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2009, 10:38:29 »
The Forces was very good to me and I miss the life style and job as a member of the CF.

I think ( speaking as a civilian ) there is a demand for experienced members like you in the CF. With good attitude. Because, I believe, that attitude is everything.
Other public service agencies are experiencing difficulty in recruiting suitably qualified replacement staff.  The "Baby Boomers" who joined in the early 1970's are reaching the end of their careers and retiring, just as demand for service is increasing.
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2009, 18:45:35 »
I am 29,is that too old too join.My whole life fell apart on me and i only have a grade 11.I have been thinking of going into the Army for a better career.But could use all the advice i can get.

So is 29 too old?,How many people actually join at my age??Is there signing bonuses,if so how do they work?

and i have been doing research and am interested in either becoming a materials technician,weapons tech or armored  soldier.Who here has accomplished any of these jobs?and can tell me about your experience?

thanks

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2009, 18:48:57 »
I am 29,is that too old too join.

So is 29 too old?,

No, it isn't.  If you browse the Recruiting forum you'll find plenty of threads about people planning to, and joining, at ages older than 29.

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2009, 20:50:32 »
Absolutely not too old.  I would think twice about joining the Infantry, but it's closed anyway and there are dozens of other Army jobs you could do.

Not to say that 29+ year olds haven't been successful in the Infantry in the past, it would just be much harder than 18-20 year olds doing the same work.

Many join even older than yourself, so go see the recruiting centre and see that suits you best.

I would advise picking a better reason to tell people there that you joined because your whole world was crashing around you ;-)  Maybe something about loving Canada and wanting to serve because you were inspired by media coverage (I'm an idealist).
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2009, 23:16:48 »
Thirty is not too old to become an officer. Many of my peers would say that thirty is about right.
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2009, 23:18:27 »
"At thirty would I be too old to qualify for the direct officer entry program?"

Just something I found on Google. Speak to a Recruiter to verify:
"there is no maximum age, but an applicant must be able to complete the terms of service offered on enrolment prior to the release age prescribed in QR&O Chapter 15, Release. Terms of service take into account restricted release policy, any obligatory service that may be incurred, and military occupation training."
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2009, 07:22:23 »
And, if you're wondering, the "release age" mentioned that is outlined in QR&Os Chapter 15 is, for all officers who commence their service as an officer of the regular force on or after 1 July 2004, 60 years of age. Sounds to me like plenty of time to get a career in.
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2009, 07:25:35 »
Having seen a number of "older" candidates on officer training, no, 30 is not too old.  However, do not expect to rise above the rank of Captain.  If you do, you will not be in a position to command a company.  Most company commanders these days are around 30, so, you are behind them in those terms.

Having said that, there are many good positions to fill and your life experiences may assist you in your path, should you choose to do so.
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2009, 07:45:43 »
I commissioned at 30+ and am quite happy with my current career path.  There are Tons of Older people joining the Officer Ranks.  I agree with TechnoVic that you may be limited in certain issues, but there are plenty of fulfilling tasks out there to keep you busy. 

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2009, 07:58:46 »
Yes, if Inf is a choice, age will also impact whether the member commands a rifle company, attends staff college (Toronto or otherwise), gets promoted beyond major; all effecting future job choices.

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2009, 11:51:14 »
Yes, if Inf is a choice, age will also impact whether the member commands a rifle company, attends staff college (Toronto or otherwise), gets promoted beyond major; all effecting future job choices.

If I join at 35 as ACSO or Signals O, (this is what I hope will happen soon) my chances of getting Major or Lt. Col. are reduced ? Does my MBA can count for something in the promotion system and helps me in getting higher ranks ?

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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2009, 12:48:24 »
If I join at 35 as ACSO or Signals O, (this is what I hope will happen soon) my chances of getting Major or Lt. Col. are reduced ? Does my MBA can count for something in the promotion system and helps me in getting higher ranks ?

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Yes, your promotion hinges entirely on your post-secondary education, because as officers, we aren't commanders or leaders, we are pencil-headed geeks [/sarcasm]

Actually, out of 100% potential score, an MBA may count for 1%, so I'm not saying it's useless, I'm just saying there it is.


As for getting to Major or LCol, age has nothing to do with it.  Age has everything to do with commanding a line unit or sub-unit.  If you join DEO at 35, and suppose that you are complete officer training at 36, you will then "normally" wait 8-12 years to become Major (44-48).  So, it's not really a matter of age, but of mathematics. 
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2009, 13:44:06 »
If I join at 35 as ACSO or Signals O, (this is what I hope will happen soon) my chances of getting Major or Lt. Col. are reduced ? Does my MBA can count for something in the promotion system and helps me in getting higher ranks ?

Thanks

For ACSO, your educational qualifications can earn you up to 3 points out of 100 on the promotion board as both a Captain and a Major. I can't say for sure if your MBA would be worth the full 3 points, but I'd say you've got a decent chance of getting 2 points for it.

For SIGS, education is rated 4 points out of 100. For this one, at least for the promotion from Captain to Major, I think you have a decent chance of getting the full four points. SIGS is one of the trades that advertised sponsoring a position from their trade for a MBA in the most recent Post-Graduate Training Program message.

For both of these, this information is only valid until after you've been promoted to LCol. After that, things are rated differently.
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2009, 14:10:52 »
I was a 27 year old Troop Leader and now I am a 38 year old Squadron Commander.

Masters degrees can give extra points to promotion, but they really only factor into the promotion board.  For your file to reach that board you need to have three years of really good evaluations, and those usually come from having the right jobs. You get those good jobs by doing well at other important jobs in your brach (although non-combat arms folks seem to be a little more free and easy with career paths). All that to say that education and language can help but you absolutely need to do really well at the critical jobs for your branch before those extras kick in. Of course, if you lack education and second language you may well reach the boards based on performance but fall short due to those extra things.

You may not get to Chief of Defence Staff this life around, but I don't think that 30 is too old to join.
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Re: Am I too old to join/do well/fit in? (Merged thread)
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2010, 19:07:49 »
hey guys!

I've just recently decided to go serious on my decision to finally switch careers to the armed forces. I've had this dream ever since i was a junior hs student.

my key question however is I'm currently 23 turning 24 in may, am i too old to apply for ROTP for either infantry/armour or MARS officer? (I've still got plenty of research to do) but i figure by the time these positions open up and I've passed security clearance i will probably in for sept 2011 at the earliest which i will be 25 by then.

also I've heard there is a high failure rate in MARS due to their training does anyone have any insights on this? is it cause of the math? or a specific aspect?

all help is appreciated.