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It's Alright to Cry
« on: July 11, 2017, 18:20:35 »
When Fox started talking about technical problems like drilling schedules, she stopped him. She said he wasn't dealing with his real problem: his fear. The change ... needed, she said, to make [the new drill rig] work, was in how the men dealt with their feelings.

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Part of safety in an environment like that is being able to admit mistakes and being open to learning — to say, 'I need help, I can't lift this thing by myself, I'm not sure how to read this meter,' " she says. "That alone is about being vulnerable."

That helped contribute to an 84 percent decline in Shell's accident rate companywide, Ely says. "In that same period, the company's level of productivity in terms of numbers of barrels and efficiency and reliability exceeded the industry's previous benchmark."

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/17/482203447/invisibilia-how-learning-to-be-vulnerable-can-make-life-safer


Or, just listen to Rosey Grier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzrSqgVL_A
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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 20:01:07 »
When Fox started talking about technical problems like drilling schedules, she stopped him. She said he wasn't dealing with his real problem: his fear. The change ... needed, she said, to make [the new drill rig] work, was in how the men dealt with their feelings.

...

Part of safety in an environment like that is being able to admit mistakes and being open to learning — to say, 'I need help, I can't lift this thing by myself, I'm not sure how to read this meter,' " she says. "That alone is about being vulnerable."

That helped contribute to an 84 percent decline in Shell's accident rate companywide, Ely says. "In that same period, the company's level of productivity in terms of numbers of barrels and efficiency and reliability exceeded the industry's previous benchmark."

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/17/482203447/invisibilia-how-learning-to-be-vulnerable-can-make-life-safer


Or, just listen to Rosey Grier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzrSqgVL_A

This is very helpful and should work well in the Infantry where we need to teach people to kill other people with a bayonet.... oh, wait, no it won't :)

How to Kill with a Bayonet!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxFgSmR0i3A
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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2017, 23:01:00 »
Much better to cultivate emotional and mental toughness (resilience).  A strong person can readily admit mistakes and ignorance and pursue knowledge and improvement, and has the advantage of being less likely to come apart under stress.
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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2017, 00:23:19 »
Much better to cultivate emotional and mental toughness (resilience).  A strong person can readily admit mistakes and ignorance and pursue knowledge and improvement, and has the advantage of being less likely to come apart under stress.

Grit... we need more of that stuff:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisaquast/2017/03/06/why-grit-is-more-important-than-iq-when-youre-trying-to-become-successful/#3c485ab17e45

https://www.ted.com/talks/angela_lee_duckworth_grit_the_power_of_passion_and_perseverance/up-next
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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2017, 10:10:47 »
With respect to killing:

Two schools of thought?

The first exemplified by the need to create hatred of the enemy.

The other defined by: "Don't mock him.  Kill him."

The first creates an "altered state" that is impossible to sustain and necessarily results in a period of coming down off the high.

The other emphasises the job as being pedestrian.  No different than knocking a steer or driving a truck.

But the article doesn't talk about killing so much as it talks about dying, and seeing others die.  And is that managed the same way, emotionally, as killing?

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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2017, 10:12:00 »
With respect to killing:

Two schools of thought?

The first exemplified by the need to create hatred of the enemy.

The other defined by: "Don't mock him.  Kill him."

The first creates an "altered state" that is impossible to sustain and necessarily results in a period of coming down off the high.

The other emphasises the job as being pedestrian.  No different than knocking a steer or driving a truck.

But the article doesn't talk about killing so much as it talks about dying, and seeing others die.  And is that managed the same way, emotionally, as killing?

I believe that it may be slightly different if you are the one being killed :)
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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2017, 13:42:00 »
With respect to killing:

Reminds of something I read,

When I appeared before the draft board examiner during World War II, he asked me if I thought I could kill. "I don't know about strangers," I replied, "but friends, certainly."
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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2017, 13:58:00 »
Reminds of something I read,

When I appeared before the draft board examiner during World War II, he asked me if I thought I could kill. "I don't know about strangers," I replied, "but friends, certainly."
Oscar Levant

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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2017, 17:22:59 »
Reminds of something I read,

When I appeared before the draft board examiner during World War II, he asked me if I thought I could kill. "I don't know about strangers," I replied, "but friends, certainly."
Oscar Levant

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Re: It's Alright to Cry
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2017, 11:50:16 »
The other emphasises the job as being pedestrian.  No different than knocking a steer or driving a truck.

Being sent on jobs inside the old slaughterhouses on St. Clair Ave. W., and another on Tecumseth  St., was disturbing.

They have since been re-located out of town.

I was only inside them from time to time. I wonder what the effect would be on the workers?

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