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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2017, 21:42:24 »
I get a kick out of all the Liberals and others that constantly try to remind us the the US won't forsake us....we're their best trading partner.....

Bullshit....it's gonna be America first for the next 4 years....get used to it and start building pipelines to both coasts....

If his plan works, figure on 8 years....it is so gonna hurt...

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Especially since we spend the least on our NATO commitments out of all the other 'Axis of Weasel' countries. I'm guessing Prince Justin is getting ready for a BOHICA moment.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2017, 21:43:53 »
Since he is only 10 years old, he won't be old enough for 2032 (won't reach that until 2041), so the first presidential election he could run in is 2044.

Considering his father is 70, I didn't think there were age restrictions on the job.

Thanks for that.  :salute:

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2017, 21:59:37 »
Especially since we spend the least on our NATO commitments out of all the other 'Axis of Weasel' countries. I'm guessing Prince Justin is getting ready for a BOHICA moment.

More like belt fed reality will be turning his backside into a beaten zone in the very near future.  Welcome to the Suck, Justin.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2017, 23:33:42 »
I wonder how much police overtime there is to keep the traffic moving

What do you mean moving?

Have you never scene DC during a normal day?

Traffic during special events are an experience I would not wish on my worst enemy. (Well maybe Trump)  ;D

One of my coworkers had to stay home today becasue she had no way out of her DC neighborhood, as all of the surrounding streets were closed to traffic.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2017, 00:46:16 »
http://www.theonion.com/article/departing-obama-tearfully-shoos-away-loyal-drone-f-55100
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Departing Obama Tearfully Shoos Away Loyal Drone Following Him Out Of White House
WASHINGTON—Stopping and turning around as he made his way across the South Lawn after hearing the unmanned aerial vehicle hovering just feet behind him, outgoing President Barack Obama tearfully shooed away a loyal MQ-9 Reaper drone attempting to follow him out of the White House, sources confirmed Friday. “Go on now—get out of here!” said the former commander-in-chief, his lower lip trembling and his eyes welling with tears as he affected a stern tone of voice in an attempt to scare off the faithful hunter-killer drone that had spent the past eight years obediently at his side. “You can’t come with me anymore, you got that? Can’t you see this is for your own good? Now scram. What are you waiting for? Go!” At press time, a heartbroken Obama had thrown a rock in the drone’s direction, causing the unmanned aerial vehicle to flee into the sky, where it paused to look back one last time at its old master before flying off toward a Yemeni tribal wedding

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2017, 06:04:01 »
... it's gonna be America first for the next 4 years....get used to it and start building pipelines to both coasts....
... and keep an eye on what happens to jobs on this side of the border that make cars to sell in the U.S. ...

Here's some of what we should see by the end of Day One (now considered Monday), according to the campaign statements ...
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—Introduce a constitutional amendment for congressional term limits.

—Freeze hiring for the federal government to reduce payrolls, although the military, public safety and public health agencies would be exempt.

—Ban White House and congressional officials from becoming lobbyists for five years after they leave the government.

—Announce plans to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico or withdraw from the deal.

—Formally withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

—Lift restrictions on mining coal and drilling for oil and natural gas.

—Remove any Obama-era roadblocks to energy projects such as the Keystone XL pipeline.

—Cancel U.S. payments to U.N. climate change programs and redirect the money to U.S. water and environmental infrastructure.

—Stop all federal funding to "sanctuary cities," places where local officials don't arrest or detain immigrants living in the country illegally for federal authorities.

—Suspend immigration from regions associated with terrorism where vetting is difficult.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2017, 09:03:38 »
The Trump effect. Amateur hour in Ottawa has taken it's first hit.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/peacekeeping-pause-trump-1.3945847

Liberal peacekeeping decision paused because of uncertainty around Trump

France and Germany working back-channels at UN to express worry over Canada's peacekeeping pause

Much to the frustration of Canada's allies at the United Nations, the Trudeau government postponed the delivery of its long-anticipated peacekeeping plan last month principally because it needed a better read on what the Trump administration expects of Canada in terms of international defence and security.

It has been almost five months since Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan and former foreign affairs minister Stéphane Dion announced the country would commit 600 troops and 150 police officers to various international peace support missions.

The intention was to define where and what kind of missions before the end of last year.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2017, 12:27:34 »
I've seen this image making the rounds



I wonder if it has anything to do with this?

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2017, 12:34:29 »
I would say: a lot less security for Obama than for Trump.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2017, 12:48:18 »
For the record, the inaugural speech (also attached in case link doesn't work) ...
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Chief Justice Roberts, President Carter, President Clinton, President Bush, President Obama, fellow Americans, and people of the world: thank you.

We, the citizens of America, are now joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country and to restore its promise for all of our people.

Together, we will determine the course of America and the world for years to come.

We will face challenges. We will confront hardships. But we will get the job done.

Every four years, we gather on these steps to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power, and we are grateful to President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama for their gracious aid throughout this transition. They have been magnificent.

Today’s ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one Administration to another, or from one party to another – but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People.

For too long, a small group in our nation’s Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost.

Washington flourished – but the people did not share in its wealth.

Politicians prospered – but the jobs left, and the factories closed.

The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country.

Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation’s Capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land.

That all changes – starting right here, and right now, because this moment is your moment: it belongs to you.

It belongs to everyone gathered here today and everyone watching all across America.

This is your day. This is your celebration.

And this, the United States of America, is your country.

What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people.

January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again.

The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.

Everyone is listening to you now.

You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement the likes of which the world has never seen before.

At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction: that a nation exists to serve its citizens.

Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves.

These are the just and reasonable demands of a righteous public.

But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists: Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities; rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation; an education system, flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of knowledge; and the crime and gangs and drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential.

This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.

We are one nation – and their pain is our pain.  Their dreams are our dreams; and their success will be our success.  We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny.

The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans.

For many decades, we’ve enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry;

Subsidized the armies of other countries while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military;

We've defended other nation’s borders while refusing to defend our own;

And spent trillions of dollars overseas while America's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay.

We’ve made other countries rich while the wealth, strength, and confidence of our country has disappeared over the horizon.

One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions upon millions of American workers left behind.

The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed across the entire world.

But that is the past. And now we are looking only to the future.

We assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power.

From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land.

From this moment on, it’s going to be America First.

Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families.

We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs.  Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength.

I will fight for you with every breath in my body – and I will never, ever let you down.

America will start winning again, winning like never before.

We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders.  We will bring back our wealth.  And we will bring back our dreams.

We will build new roads, and highways, and bridges, and airports, and tunnels, and railways all across our wonderful nation.

We will get our people off of welfare and back to work – rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor.

We will follow two simple rules: Buy American and Hire American.

We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world – but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.

We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to follow.

We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones – and unite the civilized world against Radical Islamic Terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.

At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.

When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.

The Bible tells us, “how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity.”

We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity.

When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.

There should be no fear – we are protected, and we will always be protected.

We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement and, most importantly, we are protected by God.

Finally, we must think big and dream even bigger.

In America, we understand that a nation is only living as long as it is striving.

We will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action – constantly complaining but never doing anything about it.

The time for empty talk is over.

Now arrives the hour of action.

Do not let anyone tell you it cannot be done.  No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America.

We will not fail. Our country will thrive and prosper again.

We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries and technologies of tomorrow.

A new national pride will stir our souls, lift our sights, and heal our divisions.

It is time to remember that old wisdom our soldiers will never forget: that whether we are black or brown or white, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots, we all enjoy the same glorious freedoms, and we all salute the same great American Flag.

And whether a child is born in the urban sprawl of Detroit or the windswept plains of Nebraska, they look up at the same night sky, they fill their heart with the same dreams, and they are infused with the breath of life by the same almighty Creator.

So to all Americans, in every city near and far, small and large, from mountain to mountain, and from ocean to ocean, hear these words:

You will never be ignored again.

Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams, will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way.

Together, We Will Make America Strong Again.

We Will Make America Wealthy Again.

We Will Make America Proud Again.

We Will Make America Safe Again.

And, Yes, Together, We Will Make America Great Again. Thank you, God Bless You, And God Bless America.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2017, 13:30:10 »
I've seen this image making the rounds

That picture is fake. There's other pictures making the rounds in response to that one and it shows the real picture of Trumps inauguration.

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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2017, 13:36:25 »
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2017, 13:38:33 »
There's also a video clip circulating of Hillary catching Bill....well, being Bill.  She's not amused.   ;D

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2017, 13:45:27 »
CNN

Comparing Donald Trump and Barack Obama's inaugural crowd sizes
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-inauguration-crowd-size/

Also I'd imagine parking was a concern this year.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2017, 13:49:23 »
That picture is fake. There's other pictures making the rounds in response to that one and it shows the real picture of Trumps inauguration.



Jarnhamar - That is a great example of the problem of relying on visual images.  The photographer's point of view (literally where they are standing), the way they compose the picture (to fill the screen or to minimize the crowd) and the editor's ability to crop the image all result in a subjective impression rather than an objective report.

Both pictures (the mall image of 2017 and the podium image that you posted, probably were of the same crowd).

I have the same problem with TV at any public gathering.  The cameraman always fills the screen regardless if the crowd is 5 or 500,000.  Couple that with not showing the edges of the crowd in the setting  and all crowds look the same.

All images are factual.
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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2017, 13:51:52 »
No corner of He&% hot enough for anyone who would torch a beautiful car like that.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2017, 13:54:08 »
Jarnhamar - That is a great example of the problem of relying on visual images. 
Ahh maybe! Just seen a few pictures where the crowd looked much larger than in that picture.  :subbies:
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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2017, 13:54:48 »
Also I'd imagine parking was a concern this year.



One limo - Vancouver and Montreal do a better job of rioting for hockey games.  And France... New Year's Eve?



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Almost 1,000 cars torched around France on New Year's Eve but government insists it 'went particularly well'

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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2017, 14:26:23 »
With the millions of women at the Women's March in D.C., and around the world, now is probably your best chance to go shopping and get in and out of the mall.  :)

Aerial photos show the contrast between crowds at Trump’s inauguration and the Women's March
http://www.businessinsider.com/womens-march-versus-trump-inauguration-attendance-2017-1

Women band together for what could be the largest political demonstration the US capital has ever seen
http://www.businessinsider.com/womens-march-on-washington-message-of-unity-2017-1

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2017, 20:17:34 »
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2017, 21:04:31 »
No government experience? No problem!  :)

"For a Republican Party that was desperate to woo nonwhite voters before Donald Trump tossed his toupee in the ring, and will be even harder-pressed to woo them once our present mess is over, Johnson could be the sort of person the GOP tries to renovate into a viable candidate."

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2017, 05:20:44 »
I was at this inauguration.  There were hundreds of thousands of people.  We were prevented from going to the mall because it was filled,  at least near 4th.
There is an active agenda to make it seem that it was poorly attended. A participant of the Women's March even posted a photo on twitter of a completely empty metro station.  Not my experience.  I got on at almost the first station.  The cars were already half full. And thry were running at rush hour capacity.  The five minute walk out of the station took over 20, it was so packed.
The streets were filled with people: pro Trump, anti Trump and those in between.

It was very well attended.
So, there I was....

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2017, 06:36:21 »
This was displayed on the closed captioning of my TV. Seems there is to be free beer. This just keeps getting better. This capture is from Fox but I also watch MSNBC, just for the laugh factor. I will be watching Al Sharpton later this morning, he is the best unintentional funny guy on that network.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2017, 07:55:00 »
Jarnhamar - That is a great example of the problem of relying on visual images.  The photographer's point of view (literally where they are standing), the way they compose the picture (to fill the screen or to minimize the crowd) and the editor's ability to crop the image all result in a subjective impression rather than an objective report.
Or relying on any one single picture - as you so aptly put it in another thread with something similar to the first attachment.  Along the same lines, though ...
I was at this inauguration.  There were hundreds of thousands of people.  We were prevented from going to the mall because it was filled,  at least near 4th.
I trust your individual observations and judgement, but to play the Devil's Advocate, did you see any vandalism personally?  Any cars being torched or businesses being broken into/damaged?  If you didn't (and I don't know if you did or not), you could also say, "I didn't see any vandalism"*.  Does that make all the other pix of such crime shenanigans, "fake news"?  No, but this is exactly why we need an aggregate of views.  At least you're fair enough to say this ...
The streets were filled with people: pro Trump, anti Trump and those in between.

It was very well attended.

BTW, well done taking in a bit of history when you had the chance.  ;D

Both pictures (the mall image of 2017 and the podium image that you posted, probably were of the same crowd).
Based on where the Capitol seems to be in both pix, they're both the same stretch, in the same direction, but at different points.  So it's more an example of the second attachment, then - both true, but not the entire truth.

I have the same problem with TV at any public gathering.  The cameraman always fills the screen regardless if the crowd is 5 or 500,000.
:nod:

All images are factual.
I'd refine that a bit by saying, "Any image that isn't adulterated is a data point."  Just like media stories.

* - And I won't open the can of worms of, "I didn't see any vandalism" vs. "there was no vandalism," with the different spin each statement entails, which could be the subject of a whooooooole other discussion.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2016 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2017, 08:07:56 »
With the millions of women at the Women's March in D.C.,

Hard to say if it's another fake story but I read one of the women ORGANIZERS,  is pro sharia law with family connections in HAMAS and recently met up with an ex Hamas operative.


Also Trump got more overweight women walking in one day than Michelle Obama did in 8 years.
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