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MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« on: January 21, 2017, 09:02:48 »
Topic is to list changes to or additions to prerequisites for Medals and Awards as listed on DHH site and in amended CANFORGENS

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Special Service Medal   -  Update 25 Apr 2016

RECOGNITION FOR OPERATION REASSURANCE AND OPERATION UNIFIER

REFS: A. CANFORGEN 073/16 CMP 076/16 251912Z APR 16
B. CANFORGEN 003/09 CMP 002/09 081950Z JAN 09
C. CANFORGEN 096/09 CMP 042/09 201315Z MAY 09

FURTHER TO REF A, AFC HAS DETERMINED THAT THE USE OF THE EXISTING NATO AND EXPEDTION BARS TO THE SPECIAL SERVICE MEDAL IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND TIMELY METHOD TO RECOGNIZE SERVICE WITH OPS REASSURANCE AND UNIFIER RESPECTIVELY. HOWEVER, THE CDS HAS DIRECTED THE CF HONOURS POLICY COMMITTEE TO CONDUCT A HOLISTIC REVIEW OF THE SERVICE RECOGNITION FRAMEWORK AND INTENDS TO RECOMMEND TO THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES THAT THE TIME CRITERIA FOR CERTAIN MEDALS BE AMENDED IN DUE COURSE

CONSEQUENTLY, AFC HAS APPROVED THE ADDITION OF THE FOL SERVICE TO THE ELIGIBILITY LISTS FOR CERTAIN CAMPAIGN AND SERVICE MEDALS, AS FOLLOWS:

SPECIAL SERVICE MEDAL-NATO (SSM-NATO):

(1) SERVICE OF CAF MEMBERS WHO DEPLOYED TO CAMPIA TURZII, ROMANIA, LITHUANIA AND SPANGDAHLEM AIRBASE IN GERMANY AS PART OF THE AIR TASK FORCE (ATF), INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE NATO BALTIC AIR PATROL (BAP), SINCE 29 APRIL 2014 (OP REASSURANCE). NO MULTIPLYING FACTOR

(2) SERVICE OF CAF MEMBERS WHO DEPLOYED TO EASTERN AND CENTRAL EUROPE AS PART OF THE LAND TASK FORCE (LTF), SINCE 29 APRIL 2014 (OP REASSURANCE). NO MULTIPLYING FACTOR

(3) SERVICE OF CAF MEMBERS WHO SERVED ONBOARD HMC SHIPS IN THE MEDITERRANEAN AND BLACK SEAS UNDER NATO SNMG2, SINCE 29 APRIL 2014 (OP REASSURANCE), PROVIDED THE SERVICE IS NOT COUNTED TOWARDS A NATO MEDAL. NO MULTIPLYING FACTOR. ONLY TIME SPENT UNDER NATO COMMAND IS ELIGIBLE - TRANSIT TIME DOES NOT COUNT. SERVICE UNDER NATO OPS ACTIVE ENDEAVOUR AND SEA GUARDIAN COUNTS TOWARDS THE APPROPRIATE NATO MEDALS AND THEIR ASSOCIATED NUMERALS AND NOT FOR THE SSM-NATO

(4) SERVICE OF CAF MEMBERS DEPLOYED TO FORWARD LOGISTICS SITES (FLS) IN DIRECT SUPPORT OF HMC SHIPS IN THE MEDITERRANEAN AND BLACK SEAS UNDER NATO SNMG2 (WHEN THE SHIPS ARE NOT UNDER OPS ACTIVE ENDEAVOUR OR SEA GUARDIAN), SINCE 29 APRIL 2014 (OP REASSURANCE). NO MULTIPLYING FACTOR

(5) SERVICE OF CAF MEMBERS IN LATVIA AS PART OR IN DIRECT SUPPORT OF THE ENHANCED FORWARD PRESENCE (EFP) BATTLEGROUP LATVIA, SINCE 22 APR 2017 (OP REASSURANCE). NO MULTIPLYING FACTOR

SPECIAL SERVICE MEDAL-EXPEDITION (SSM-EXP):

(1) SERVICE OF CAF MEMBERS WHO DEPLOYED TO UKRAINE TO PROVIDE MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO THE UKRAINIAN ARMED FORCES, SINCE 13 JUNE 2015 (OP UNIFIER)
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2017, 14:03:58 »
What would be the time in theatre requirements for this? Still 180 days?
« Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 14:06:59 by Brihard »
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2017, 14:34:10 »
But note from the CANFORGEN:

HOWEVER, THE CDS HAS DIRECTED THE CF HONOURS POLICY COMMITTEE TO CONDUCT A HOLISTIC REVIEW OF THE SERVICE RECOGNITION FRAMEWORK AND INTENDS TO RECOMMEND TO THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES THAT THE TIME CRITERIA FOR CERTAIN MEDALS BE AMENDED IN DUE COURSE
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2017, 14:41:05 »
I noticed that, and was just clicking to reply to same. Reads like we'll probably see it drop comparable to the requirements for campaign medals.

Anyone know, once this gets put in place will the CAF go and track down everyone eligible, or will those who deployed (particularly reservists) be expected to self identify and put in a request for these?
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2017, 15:04:10 »
In theory, there should be an ability to do an automatic search to identify eligible people.

In practice, recordkeeping is often hit or miss (people whose deployments to Afghanistan show solely as a period of TD in Petawawa on their MPRR, for example), so there will be a need for some manual checks as well.
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2017, 15:15:54 »
In theory, there should be an ability to do an automatic search to identify eligible people.

In practice, recordkeeping is often hit or miss (people whose deployments to Afghanistan show solely as a period of TD in Petawawa on their MPRR, for example), so there will be a need for some manual checks as well.

Yup... Somehow my tour (3-08) shows up on my MPRR, but didn't show up on CFTPO or something. Consequently, doesn't show up on Monitor Mass. GIGO.
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2017, 15:17:21 »
In theory, there should be an ability to do an automatic search to identify eligible people.

In practice, recordkeeping is often hit or miss (people whose deployments to Afghanistan show solely as a period of TD in Petawawa on their MPRR, for example), so there will be a need for some manual checks as well.

Wouldn't it be flagged when it shows the mbr drawing HA/RA/FSP in Pet (for example) though?
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2017, 17:20:46 »
Wouldn't it be flagged when it shows the mbr drawing HA/RA/FSP in Pet (for example) though?

I did Operacise Reassurance Roto 3 and didn't see a dime of HA/RA/FSP. It was all "TD" for "Exercising in Europe." most of Roto 1,2,3 were all under 180 days because they didnt want people going 365 Red. Its only Roto 4 onward that it was listed as an SDA and a 6 month tour.

I hope they approve a reduction in time because it would suck to get boned out of a medal lacking 27 days.
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2017, 22:35:06 »
I did Operacise Reassurance Roto 3 and didn't see a dime of HA/RA/FSP. It was all "TD" for "Exercising in Europe." most of Roto 1,2,3 were all under 180 days because they didnt want people going 365 Red. Its only Roto 4 onward that it was listed as an SDA and a 6 month tour.

I hope they approve a reduction in time because it would suck to get boned out of a medal lacking 27 days.

Situation no change. They made sure RIP dates in Roto 4 for ATHENA kept people under 8 months because they didn't want to have to pay for the extra HLTA days, and some people left with 10 or 12 days short of their 210 day mark to earn a rotation bar. Happened again on ATTENTION.

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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2017, 20:43:59 »
Has anyone heard anything about the recommendation going forward? It seems like the SSM-NATO and SSM-EXP are the ones most likely to see a reduction. My guess would be 90 days for those.

I really cant see a reduction to less than 30 days for the GCS, GSM, and OSM.
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2017, 20:57:31 »
How about 5 flights? 

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/honours-history-medals-chart/medal-gcs-af.page

The GCS with ALLIED FORCE ribbon is awarded to fighter pilots and AWACS crew members who flew at least 5 sorties during Operation ALLIED FORCE from 24 March to 10 June 1999 in the theatre of operations which consisted of the airspace over Kosovo and other territories of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Albania, the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and the Adriatic and Ionian seas.
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2017, 03:09:07 »
If you're only able to muster up 5 flights during a 6 month rotation, I'd suggest we either are wasting our time employing those aircraft or we have a big serviceability problem.

ALLIED FORCE was barely 2.5 months. Considering the airpower that went to Kosovo, I'd say they balanced the length of the Op with the average number of sorties flown.

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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2017, 06:34:44 »
Usually it's a 56 day/90 day rotation for RCAF aircrew. There are valid reasons for this.

I also believe the 18 folks were flying 1 in 3 on Impact (I could be wrong)

I think for aircrew 10 sorties should be sufficient enough.

The issue comes from a lack of understanding, which is why the 30 days/30 sorties is flawed.  Which is also why I feel the fighter community received the short straw on Impact.

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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2017, 08:26:42 »
Usually it's a 56 day/90 day rotation for RCAF aircrew. There are valid reasons for this.

I also believe the 18 folks were flying 1 in 3 on Impact (I could be wrong)

I think for aircrew 10 sorties should be sufficient enough.

The issue comes from a lack of understanding, which is why the 30 days/30 sorties is flawed.  Which is also why I feel the fighter community received the short straw on Impact.

Without going down a rabbit hole, IMO having different medals for the same operation ends up creating a variety of issues. A singular OSM with a Op IMPACT ribbon would have been far easier to administer.

Of note, the Americans have a similar take to "in the box for 30 days" medals, but can be awarded for 1 day if engaged the enemy in combat

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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2017, 09:21:04 »
Usually it's a 56 day/90 day rotation for RCAF aircrew. There are valid reasons for this.

I also believe the 18 folks were flying 1 in 3 on Impact (I could be wrong)

I think for aircrew 10 sorties should be sufficient enough.

The issue comes from a lack of understanding, which is why the 30 days/30 sorties is flawed.  Which is also why I feel the fighter community received the short straw on Impact.

I agree, I didn't understand the 30 sortie bit at all when compared to tour length.  5 seems low, 10 seems more reasonable especially for non combat type Ops, but I am of the same mind as the Americans if one engages the enemy then it is earned immediately.
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2017, 09:31:05 »
Without going down a rabbit hole, IMO having different medals for the same operation ends up creating a variety of issues. A singular OSM with a Op IMPACT ribbon would have been far easier to administer.

With this specific type of mission, it is warranted.  Folks in camp deserve the GSM whereas folks flying over Iraq/Syria deserve the GCS, aircrew also qualify for the GSM if they have a 6-month break between rotations.

As for a specific Impact ribbon, there definitely should a ribbon specific to Impact, as I think the scope/size of the mission far surpasses the definition for the Expedition ribbon.  Yes I am aware that it was handed out to a handful of exchange folks prior to the start of Impact.

Ease of administration vs proper recognition?  I'll take proper recognition over ease of administration any day. 

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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2017, 10:13:34 »
With this specific type of mission, it is warranted.  Folks in camp deserve the GSM whereas folks flying over Iraq/Syria deserve the GCS, aircrew also qualify for the GSM if they have a 6-month break between rotations.

As for a specific Impact ribbon, there definitely should a ribbon specific to Impact, as I think the scope/size of the mission far surpasses the definition for the Expedition ribbon.  Yes I am aware that it was handed out to a handful of exchange folks prior to the start of Impact.

Ease of administration vs proper recognition?  I'll take proper recognition over ease of administration any day.

By ease of administration I'm referring more to the timelessness of the award being issued. Having clerks photocopy logbook entries and creating excel spreadsheets for each member just to track days seems like a waste of effort. Then there's the nightmare of "trading in" GSMs for GCSs if the 30 day cumulative tally is met in later rotations.  (i.e. Hornet driver gets 15 days over Iraq during a 56-day roto, gets the GSM, and then returns for another 56-day roto and gets another 15 days over Iraq.)

I do like the GCS/GSM approach. I just think it needs some refinement wrt counting of days, especially when actually engaging an armed enemy. 

As for the GCS/GSM ribbons, it's getting messy. Iraq and Syria fall within the definition of Southwest Asia, so why not just issue the GCS/GSM-SWA? EXP is meant for small contributions to short missions. Op IMPACT is well beyond that now. Probably just easier to rename the ribbon at this point.



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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2017, 11:42:51 »
Apparently there's some talk of a medal for crews deploying to the Arctic, something like a 180 days accumulated above 60. Being the RCN is about to deploy more to the Arctic in AOPS makes sense.
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2017, 12:03:47 »
So, basically a medal for staying in Canada, but out of your home base for 180 days and more?

That's like becoming American, man! What next: A crossing street in Toronto without a sergeant's assistance medal?

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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2017, 12:27:17 »
So, basically a medal for staying in Canada, but out of your home base for 180 days and more?

That's like becoming American, man! What next: A crossing street in Toronto without a sergeant's assistance medal?

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Have you ever been to the Arctic, its no picnic I can assure you. We hand out a medal for 30 days on Op Caribbe and that's with ports and sun. I honestly don't see the problem.
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2017, 12:35:54 »
So, basically a medal for staying in Canada, but out of your home base for 180 days and more?

That's like becoming American, man! What next: A crossing street in Toronto without a sergeant's assistance medal?

/SARC OFF.

Folks at CFS Alert are awarded medals, so I don't see the difference. 
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2017, 12:41:39 »
So, basically a medal for staying in Canada, but out of your home base for 180 days and more?

That's like becoming American, man! What next: A crossing street in Toronto without a sergeant's assistance medal?

/SARC OFF.

I am aware of medals that have been issued by Canada specifically for domestic military service: the Special Service Medal with Alert or Ranger bar, and the North West Canada Medal. A medal for Arctic naval service doesn't seem too unusual to me.

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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2017, 12:43:10 »
Folks at CFS Alert are awarded medals, so I don't see the difference.


180 days vs 6 months is the same. 
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Re: MEDALS - Updated prerequisites.
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2017, 12:44:30 »
I am aware of medals that have been issued by Canada specifically for domestic military service: the Special Service Medal with Alert or Ranger bar, and the North West Canada Medal. A medal for Arctic naval service doesn't seem too unusual to me.

I think land forces would also qualify for it as well.
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