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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2017, 13:58:40 »
I know.  I saw your first time posting that.  But it never hurts to dream a bit.  And the future is always up for grabs.  There are 7,476,724,138 (and counting) equally intelligent people that disagree with me and would rather live in their fantasy world.  Everyone of them makes decisions that impact me.  So I have given up on trying to predict what stability looks like and plan for chaos.

 :)

Reminds me of a guy I once knew. Hated his wife with a passion. I believe the feeling was mutual, although according to him, she had other pursuits. I know he did.
I asked why not go see a lawyer and an accountant and draw up the separation agreement and divorce papers. But, it was impossible. They were from a village in Old Europe - would have created a scandal with the Church and destroyed the family.

Like those TV commercials. "I'm living with ( insert horrible disease ) but I'm not letting it get me down."  :)
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2017, 16:52:53 »
It was in quotation marks.

This is the author,
https://books.google.ca/books/about/Urban_Nation.html?id=y32kWoDoVOEC&source=kp_cover&redir_esc=y

I know.  You quoted him, so the issue is clearly of interest to you, so I asked your thoughts on some other aspects of the issue that Broadbent did not address. 

Don't feel as though you have to answer, but understand that I don't think I'm the only person to be wondering such questions. 


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p.s. I was born and raised in T.O., so this is not coming from someone indoctrinated to "despise" Canada's self-proclaimed centre of the universe from birth.

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2017, 23:23:39 »
The flip side would be those rural folk not overly impressed with Toronto's repeated voting for Kathleen Wynne..."Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit." :nod:

ok. I should know better than to reply, but I'll do my best.

1) I could give two - one federal and one provincial - f%$#s about party politics.

I only vote in City elections. Because the politicians at City Hall are the ones we depend on to support the pay and benefits we deserve. 

But, if you want to make me the token whipping boy for "rural folk not overly impressed", go right ahead. Because I don't care about party politics.

2 ) As for "those rural folk" you mention, let me tell you something. Next time the tones go off and I refuse to roll for "those rural folk" trying to make it safely out of town on that 16-lane deathtrap they call the 401, then you can ... well I don't know because thankfully that's no longer my job.  :)



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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2017, 02:54:04 »
I only vote in City elections. Because the politicians at City Hall are the ones we depend on to support the pay and benefits we deserve. 

So how should people vote if they are not City employees?

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2017, 07:44:24 »
Urbanites and rural folk have a symbiotic relationship, rural areas provide the bread basket and natural resources while urban areas provide the market and services. 

Also, Having grown up 30km from what was the largest Zinc mine in the world, I'd challenge your assertion that urban areas provide the manpower for resource extraction, there is a reason they call Fort Mac, "Little Newfoundland".

We don't have a rural/urban problem in Canada, what we do have is a government mismanagement problem and misplaced priorities.  The Ontario government has done a piss poor job developing infrastructure in Northern Ontario, infrastructure that is desperately required to get the resources that exist in the North to the markets.  The ring of Fire mining camp comes to mind, yes commodity prices are low right now; however, when they inevitably trend upwards again, Ontario should make sure it's in a position to capitalize and not be chasing after something they should have already had in place.


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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #80 on: January 13, 2017, 08:13:37 »
So how should people vote if they are not City employees?

They should vote for the candidates of their choice. How do you  think they should vote?

Speaking for myself, as a City pensioner, I vote for candidates who support our emergency services. Because they are the only real sure thing in this town.

Urbanites and rural folk have a symbiotic relationship,

Some are more equal than others.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/unequal-votes-threatening-canadian-democracy-study-finds/article591083/
Some are ok with that, others not so much.

The Ontario government has done a piss poor job developing infrastructure in Northern Ontario, infrastructure that is desperately required to get the resources that exist in the North to the markets. 

"Thunder Bay mayor Lynn Peterson opposed Murdoch's proposal ( to allow the GTA to go its own way - mm ), stating that one of the perceived issues was inconsequential, specifically that policies defined in the Ontario legislature are not Toronto-centric.
Michael Gravelle, the Minister of Northern Development and Mines, said "I look at it from the perspective of would this be good for Northern Ontario . . . and I don‘t think it would be.”
http://www.liquisearch.com/proposal_for_the_province_of_toronto/history

You think the North gets no respect from the Ontario government?
Until 2006, The City of Toronto had to go to Queen's Park with hat in hand to beg for permission to install a single safety speed bump in any one of our 240 neighbourhoods.

I'd challenge your assertion that urban areas provide the manpower for resource extraction, there is a reason they call Fort Mac, "Little Newfoundland".

Who are you talking to? Who made that assertion? If it's me, what would I know about "resource extraction"? You mean mining?
All I know about that is what I see on "Gold Rush" on the Discovery channel.  :)





 

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #81 on: January 13, 2017, 10:25:56 »
They should vote for the candidates of their choice. How do you  think they should vote?

Speaking for myself, as a City pensioner, I vote for candidates who support our emergency services. Because they are the only real sure thing in this town.

I suppose we're different tat way.  I vote for whomever I believe will best lead the Canadian people's Government, even if that means there may be some tighter purse stings in a particular region.

On the theme of emergency services, I assume you bias your support towards urban emergency services, since rural emergency services are proportionally far less efficient organizations due to the extensive geographical dispersion that comes from supporting the similarly distributed rural folk.

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #82 on: January 13, 2017, 10:58:49 »
.. since rural emergency services are proportionally far less efficient organizations due to the extensive geographical dispersion that comes from supporting the similarly distributed rural folk.
...

Having dealt with rural emergency services during the blinding blizzard of early New Year's Eve in getting my hubby from our residence to a rural hospital and then the very expedient transfer into Ottawa Civic in 1.5 hours in extremely bad conditions with unplowed roads etc, it highlights why I vote those who consider an entire province and balance those requirements vice catering to the TO populace at the expense of all others.  Witness my hydro bill.  People should be in jail.

For being rural who have to deal with shitty conditions, dispersed residents and long drives to essential facilities, as you stated, these folks will ALWAYS cost more per person and be far less "monetarily efficient" ... but to this rural resident, they are worth it and the city folk who can't grasp that concept should get over it. 
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #83 on: January 13, 2017, 11:30:33 »
.... the city folk who can't grasp that concept should get over it.
I don't think I've seen you that... restrained.  You OK?   >:D
I even read works I disagree with;  life outside  an ideological echo chamber.

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #84 on: January 13, 2017, 11:33:00 »
I vote for whomever I believe will best lead the Canadian people's Government, even if that means there may be some tighter purse stings in a particular region.

Shall I guess where?

On the theme of emergency services, I assume you bias your support towards urban emergency services, since rural emergency services are proportionally far less efficient organizations due to the extensive geographical dispersion that comes from supporting the similarly distributed rural folk.

We operated directly as an independent branch of the City government, same as the police and fire departments. We amalgamated in 1967, Police in 1957 and Fire in 1998.
Although under City control, we ( Toronto Paramedic Services ) were required to comply with legislation and licensing standards provided by the Ontario provincial government.

That last sentence has always been a touchy subject.  :)




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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #85 on: January 13, 2017, 11:33:42 »
ArmyVern: My usual retort to "those" people is to simply ask "Do you enjoy eating food?"

It usually comes just before I explain to them that, over here, regardless of the Highway Safety Act, farm equipment has the right of way at all time - so just move over.

When not at sea, I wouldn't live anywhere else than in farmland Canada.

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2017, 11:37:52 »
ArmyVern: My usual retort to "those" people is to simply ask "Do you enjoy eating food?"

It usually comes just before I explain to them that, over here, regardless of the Highway Safety Act, farm equipment has the right of way at all time - so just move over.

When not at sea, I wouldn't live anywhere else than in farmland Canada.

OGBD, clearly, while my having been born and grown up in Toronto itself, the family genes from the Prairies (SK and South. AB) must have adversely affected me...perhaps that's why I sometimes uncontrollably blurt out, "a good fertilizer makes the crop!" in the wee hours of the morn after a night with a few wee drams?  ???

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2017, 11:51:33 »
... "a good fertilizer makes the crop!"
       ???

But many of the recent threads here -- especially the political and procurement topics -- have no shortage of 'fertilizer'... yet the 'crop' is pretty abysmal.

       :dunno:
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #88 on: January 13, 2017, 12:05:53 »
... but to this rural resident, they are worth it and the city folk who can't grasp that concept should get over it.

I can grasp being assigned to a nice quiet station out in the country. I can grasp that Big Time.   

To people who have never worked 9-1-1 operations in this city, it's hard to explain how busy it is. Especially when the car-count is low.

We have "rural folk" ( mostly savvy lawyers, from what I understand ) living in 250 homes on the Toronto Islands. We have to send our Marine Paramedics to transport them to the mainland. We have a land Paramedic crew stationed there for them also, to rendezvous with our Marine Units. ie: That's a Paramedic ambulance on the Island, a Paramedic marine vessel, and a Paramedic ambulance on the mainland to complete the transport to the city hospital. That's a lot of wo/manpower. But, if it saves a life, it's worth it.

Their ( the Island ambulance ) Unit Hour Utilization ( UHU ) is almost nil. But, our "rural folk" on the Islands are entitled to the same response times as they get in the city. If we don't stop the clock in time, the Department can get sued. They are entitled to their entitlements. ie: The same response time to their Island residence as they would expect at their law offices on Bay Street.

The crews stationed on the Island, must be taken out of the main car count. Which was always more than fine with me and my partner whenever we were lucky enough to be assigned there.  We get paid the same no matter how many lifts we do or don't do.  :) You became what they called "a dedicated unit".

It takes many years of seniority to bid into the Island station. Same goes for the City cops and firemen.

Because it sure beats breaking your back non-stop on fifth-floor walk-ups back on shore.  :)
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2017, 12:57:45 »
I think I may not have caught the nuance...Toronto Island = rural?

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2017, 13:06:22 »
I think I may not have caught the nuance...Toronto Island = rural?

It was about as rural a station as I was ever lucky enough to get.  :)

They need that thin type ambulance to get across some of the bridges connecting the Islands.
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #91 on: January 13, 2017, 13:27:28 »
Toronto island is welfare for the well to do.  Sweetheart deals for land leases, with people with time and money to fight any waterfront use.  Island residents make traditional NIMBYs look positively open-minded in their outlook.
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #92 on: January 13, 2017, 13:42:41 »
They need that thin type ambulance to get across some of the bridges connecting the Islands.

How does that big, wide Class-7 fire truck get across the bridges?

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #93 on: January 13, 2017, 13:50:30 »
Toronto island is welfare for the well to do.  Sweetheart deals for land leases, with people with time and money to fight any waterfront use.  Island residents make traditional NIMBYs look positively open-minded in their outlook.

250 houses. Still entitled to their entitlements - within 8:59 minutes 90% of the time - same as the other 3.5 million people in this town.

Island / rural lifestyle with city service.

How does that big, wide Class-7 fire truck get across the bridges?

You really keep me on my toes!  :)

They also have the fireboat.
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #94 on: January 13, 2017, 13:53:25 »
Is the City paying the costs for 'personalized' plates on municipal vehicles?

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #95 on: January 13, 2017, 13:58:40 »
Is the City paying the costs for 'personalized' plates on municipal vehicles?

Good2Golf, you may have to call 3-1-1
Phone outside city limits: 416-392-CITY (2489)


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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #96 on: January 13, 2017, 14:05:37 »
Good2Golf, you may have to call 3-1-1
Phone outside city limits: 416-392-CITY (2489)

I'll give 3-1-1 a yodel next time I'm visiting the parents -- I suppose the City may let the Association pay for the extra fee?

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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #97 on: January 14, 2017, 10:57:56 »
Having dealt with rural emergency services during the blinding blizzard of early New Year's Eve in getting my hubby from our residence to a rural hospital and then the very expedient transfer into Ottawa Civic in 1.5 hours in extremely bad conditions with unplowed roads etc, it highlights why I vote those who consider an entire province and balance those requirements vice catering to the TO populace at the expense of all others. < snip about hydro bills and sending people to jail >

ArmyVern raised a point that was beyond my grasp. Paramedic service in the Ottawa area.

So, I did some reading.

Rural counties call on province to right impasse over Ottawa ambulance 'shortfall'
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/rural-ottawa-paramedics-ambulance-service-1.3860543
Rural ambulances diverted to help Ottawa with 'shortfalls' aren't being reimbursed: municipalities

Five eastern Ontario counties say their ambulances are increasingly being asked to make up for service "shortfalls" within the city of Ottawa, and want the province to ensure they get reimbursed for it.

An ambulance was free at CHEO, six kilometres away. Its crew was 31 minutes from the end of their shift when the call came in, not even quite in their don’t-send-us-out window. But dispatchers called in an ambulance from Rockland instead — 37 kilometres away.

See also,

Ottawa's paramedic service has major problems, province finds
http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/12/05/reevely-ottawas-paramedic-service-has-major-problems-province-finds
They looked into Prescott-Russell’s allegation that Ottawa dispatchers spent that night grabbing out-of-town ambulances and calling them to Ottawa to keep their official response times low.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-paramedics-zero-ambulance-shortage-1.3900007
Counties outside of Ottawa have becoming increasingly frustrated by the growing numbers of calls they answer in the city.

etc...

catering to the TO populace at the expense of all others. 

Sounds to me more like "catering to the TO Ottawa populace at the expense of all others."  :)


 








 
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2017, 19:36:37 »
To add, regarding rural versus urban emergency services.

When transported by Paramedics, Ontario residents receive a bill only for $45.00.

Doesn't matter if you are in Toronto, or the most remote area of Ontario.

Your private insurance covers the $45.00.
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Re: City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver
« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2017, 20:07:57 »
My private insurance? :rofl: